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23 hours ago, mushroom said:
Just seen in some vid, a hand held railgun lol. Has the power of a top end air rifle apparently.
Not sure about Spanish Law but the UK definition of a firearm is pretty wide. Can't remember it exactly, but it does cover most things.
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On 14/08/2021 at 11:20, Stavross said:
MI5 don’t check your suitability to own a firearm, if you have come to the attention of MI5 it will be on the police national computer and the firearms department will be aware of that
I don’t think that firearms laws are lax, but the one thing that bothers me is how easy it is for someone who is unsuitable to get a shotgun as long as they haven’t been in any bother for a while
as for FAC air, that should 100% be on an FAC, it’s a single projectile, I strongly believe that any sub 12lb air should have to be registered to its owner, it’s not just about the odd nutter that goes out and kills people, it’s more about thick little idiots shooting the local wildlife or local moggie or robbing a post office with an air pistol that looks no different to a SIG P320
my views are just that, my views, everyone has their own opinion on these things, I maybe just getting old and miserable or it might be just the amount of complete mongs I’ve come across over the years
Shotguns no different to FAC apart from 1 extra character witness and good reason, neither of which would make any difference to someone becoming unstable.
Two things need to be different:1. The attitude of those in the community who know someone applying for a weapon who they believe is unsuitable must change if there's a real reason to suspect that person is unsuitable and they must grass the person up
2. The Police need to start listening to warnings about someone where credible. There's some suggestion here that the persons family may have contacted the Police / NHS over their mental state multiple times for several weeks before the incident. I don't know whether that is true, it will no doubt come out over time, but if so, it rasies questions as to why they didn't investigate. -
11 hours ago, Stavross said:
one of the easiest ways to give you an idea if someone is suitable for a SGC or FAC is to allow firearms licensing access to the applicants social media, I bet there would be a lot of refusals, but no doubt people would see this as an infringement of their human rights
I also think air rifles should be licensed along with bows ( but this is another can of worms) crossbows and them air soft thing that look real should be banned
They already have. What do you think MI5 do in the 3 months when you apply?
They'vre searching for known connections to terrorist / extremist groups and checking for anything alarming that you've been posting anywhere. Through OSCINT tools they can find anything you've posted ever. You complain about lax laws but the Police can't check every post made between granting a cert and renewal. It's not along ago someone on here was saying they had a friend they knew had unsuitable behaviour and had applied but wouldn't report that to the police as it was grassing him. I said that person should report it. Well this is the result of attitudes like that. We shouldn't be grasses in life generally, but with firearms if someone has unsuitable behaviour you have a duty to report it if you know they are applying. These could easily backlass on genuine people's right to hold firearms. Some are already calling for blood regarding how did this person get a firearm.
As others have said, we have the toughest firearms rules in the world. You cannot legislate for nutters. To put this in contrast, (not that it makes it any better), but in the US there have been 5 mass shootings this year already according to the statistics I could find, compared to 1 in 11 years in the UK. Those statistics go as high as 9 in one year.
• Number of mass shootings in the U.S. 1982-2021 | Statista
WWW.STATISTA.COM
As of May 26, there were five mass shootings in the United States in 2021.
It's Intersting that the guy here was also reported as being of US origin. For some reason some US citizens seem to have a need to go out with a bang when things go wrong for them.
One last point here. If someone is determined enough they can always find a way.Before the killing started where terrorists ran people down in cars, I predicted several years before that was the method someone would use if they couldn't get a firearm. I didn't post it publically for fear of someone seeing it and getting the idea, but it was obvious. If some nutter is determined there's always a way. The secret is to make it as hard as possible for those unsuitable which is what we have done with firearms. The laws couldn't be any tougher. In fact in some areas, I'd argue they're too tough - FAC airguns for one being on FAC and not SGC.
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A Hire Company once offered me a Vauxhall Mereva similar to this when I took my car in to a dealership go back to the factory for a paint problem:
I told them I'd have my car back and cancel for another time (they had a flat bed waiting).
Needles to say I got an upgrade to a quite decent sporty Corsa. Not much of an upgrade, but an upgrade nevertheless!
I wonder now what they'd have said if I kept it and returned it with a deer in the rear...
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On 21/07/2021 at 11:35, BenBhoy said:
You're lucky, in my day it was a dandelion..!!
You were lucky. I only got nettles.-
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I was offered some land with a wall called the Maginot Line on it. Impervious wall. One previous owner, never used.
Apparently the French forgot to extend it into the low countries and the Germans just drove around.
May I direct our French cousins to their closely related Italian cousins and specifically tell them to as for someone called Hadrian in Rome. Apparently he knows how to build walls which don't have ends. May I also advise he doesn't mention this when in Scotland. -
6 hours ago, shovel leaner said:
It’s the same panic buying that saw me reduced to wiping my arse on a doc leaf .
If it was the same panic buying I hope you didn't get shot up the arse.
It seems that's the plan in the US atm, one arsehole shooting another.
(Just to be clear to our US friends, I do like you, it's a joke!).-
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The Americans are expecting civil war so everyone bought every available gun and round. This is a typical US gunshop not an exception atm. US's largest gunshop.
Only 10 types of ammo advertised (rest presumably already removed from the website as you'd expect them to have hundreds of types and thousands of boxes ordinarily), and of those 8 are out of stock, 1 is all but unused these days, leaving 1 choice for those (in the US) with a handgun and 0 choices for rifles or shotguns:
Ammunition
WWW.HYATTGUNSTORE.COM
Get your handgun, shotgun, and rifle ammunition at Hyatt Gun Store. Hyatt Guns is located in Charlotte, NC.
The World's Largest Gunstore, Adventure Outdoors, has suspended all online sales "due to conditions".
Unfortunately as most ammo is manufactured in the US, I doubt we're going to be seeing any soon. I suggest buying a slingshot. Atm it's more reliable.-
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On 09/07/2021 at 21:48, BenBhoy said:
Straight away looking at it, it isn't 24x optical assuming they keep within 24x max for the video. Those last few zoom increments are clearly digital zoom which is why the picture becomes pixelated and noisy.
The daytime performance looks flat although it could have just been the lighting conditions and the way a scope limits light gathering compared to other optics.
As Ian says, the best way is to see it for yourself. Personally I often find professionally produced video is far better than I can achieve. -
15 hours ago, FOXHUNTER said:
Time to be snipped me thinks
Sheep shears?
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15 hours ago, David.evans said:
So there’s a budding new shepherd in the making then Ben
Think he's already done the making.
Too much fun in them there barns.
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3 hours ago, si brown said:
Different type of shooting.
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2 hours ago, shovel leaner said:
If nobody is willing to give him a reference and if he’s got a police record of recent irresponsible or violent behaviour then he won’t ( or shouldn’t) be granted a certificate. No need to contact them.
We all have our own moral code , and I for one wouldn’t be able to look the guy in the eye again if I’d been on the phone and bubbled him to the FEO . Remember he is a friend , ok a bit of a prick but still a friend . The police are very good at keeping records, ask anyone who has a DBS , they can Chuck up 30 year old driving convictions.
Might not be his record but his recent conduct that's the issue and if the police aren't aware, he gets a certificate as his record is in the past and considered spent when he's still a prick and thus a risk currently.
TBH if he's such a prick I wouldn't want him as a friend anyway. Why would you want to hang out with someone who's going to embarrass you or land you in trouble either directly or by association?
Apart from the issues he might cause you generally, it only needs you to all be out down town on a drunk night out, all messing around pushing each other, hoping benches etc as you walk home, he starts a fight with someone, and the police get called and it's a group of lads causing trouble based on the cctv showing the group messing around. OK he's probably only the one going to get arrested, but if all your details get taken and it flags on the PNC you're a firearms holder, and the cctv shows you as a part of a group "causing trouble", acting irresponsiblly, it's potentially going to cause you issues as you were seen as being part of a group fighting / starting trouble. Not saying you're going to lose your cert, probably won't, but it's not going to look good to the FEO next visit assuming he doesn't make a special one. -
On 01/06/2021 at 21:38, shovel leaner said:
Should he be denied one , that’s for the police to decide.
I agree but how can they decide if they don't kow the full facts?
If this guys history is in the past and he's responsible now then maybe. The OP didn't make it sound like that.
It's a fine line between being a grass and being responsible and protecting yourself and others from someone unsuitable. Many say they wouldn't do anything to jeopardise their cert, but that's exactly what you're doing if you let someone irresponsible get one. Firearms Incidents only lead to more restrictions and a possible total ban for everyone.
The line here comes on the persons history. Long time in the past, fine. Recent incidents or current irresponsibility, duty to ensure the police have all the facts. -
On 31/05/2021 at 14:05, FLATTOP said:
A bloke I know asked me to be a ref I refused because I new he was not suitable he got a ref elsewhere got granted the shotgun ticket and to cut a long story short and not going into detail on a public forum it ended in tragedy, correct decision not to step up for him Ben.
..and that's exactly why I speak to firearms and express concerns. Every incident that occurs is a possible ban to ownership. The best way to avoid that is to ensure anyone who might have unsuitable tendancies doesn't get a licence. It's not a matter of pride or snitching, it's about protecting your licence and sport.
From the sounds of it, this is the sort of guy who might go to the pub, get spannered, come home with his mates, get the gun out, guess what I've got, load a shell, points it at his mates and pretends to shoot someone shouting bang, you afraid, and goes around a few of the mates in his lounge pretending, maybe you included, until his finger accidentally slips in his drunken state and he does shoot someone. You can also throw in the possibility of a drunken rage.
If he's prone to "be a knob", has poor judgement and gets himself in bother and is prone to get drunk and do stupid things when he does, I'd say unsuitable and a danger.-
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TBH I haven't known anyone with a cert willing to be a ref for someone else. Just tell him that you looked into it and the advice you received is that anyone with a cert shouldn't be a ref for someone else becasue if anything goes wrong it puts their cert in jeopardy. Just tell him he's better asking one of his other mates therefore.
Also, if you think he's unsuitable maybe time for an anonymous call to firearms. I'm guessing he'll tell you if he has a visit. I agree with Dev. We need to keep guns out of the wrong hands. Anyone with a record that drinks heavily and reading between the lines of what you said, gets aggressive and into fights after driniking (?) doesn't bode well for suitability. HIs record may make him unsuitable anyway if it involves the same and may support what you tip off.
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On 06/05/2021 at 20:16, shovel leaner said:
Thermal can’t be blamed for stupid shooting and wrong identification . It’s been happening for years on the lamp . A guy I know of who ( I won’t call him a keeper) used to run a shoot , regularly shot at eyes and killed quite a few sheep , which were then thrown into the river . We used to call his rifle “ the mutton gun”.
I kind of disagree although plod will take any excuse to remove you.
Some things are inexcusable. However, trying to discern between a fox and a dog on private land where it should be at night through thermal is going to be difficult to impossible especially if distance is involved as Ian pointed out with his experience. That's the problem with thermal, you're hunting shapes and sizes not easily identifiable targets and wherever there's ambiguity in identification, mistakes can happen.
I feel sorry for the guys who lost their ticket. A fox sized dog is going to be almost impossible to distinguish through thermal and if on private land where it shouldn't be, how were you supposed to know? Plod would say you should have positvely identified the target before shooting but at night, if thermal is your identification tool, what else could you do? If it looks like a fox through thermal, what other option have you got to run up to it, identify it by sight from 1ft, then ask it to freeze and run back to the rifle.
I kind of have to agree with Ian. The safest way to use thermal is for spotting with NV for positive identification / shot.-
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On 05/05/2021 at 22:04, Wolfdog91 said:
Lol only had lamb once and that was in Kuwait, think I could use a little more of it in my diet
It's the mint sauce you need. The lamb is only a bonus...
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Have to love the US.
I was just in the grocery store walking past the lettuce when I noticed the shotguns were selling cheap.....
In the UK,
I was just in the grocery store walking past the lettuce when I reached the Vegan and Free From Food section.....
I have to say if those guns are new, it shows just how much we get ripped off in the UK. Many of those would be £1,500 or more in the UK if reputable brands. Probably £600-£700 2nd hand. Even a cheap brand new gun would be probably £400+.
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OK, not me, but saw this yesterday. Quite shocking and shows how dangerous old ammo or incorrectly reloaded ammo can be:
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13 hours ago, BenBhoy said:
I got mine just for HMR & closed/restricted. Told after 5yr it'll be open, they might consider after 3 if I have "evidence/diary" of my shooting trips (
) 1yr later I apply for .204CF they say can't clear me for .204 but they can open licence up so I get get my .204 that way. She also said (calm down ian) "if you find the 204 a bit of an oddity I can recommend the .223!"
That's just bs and the same rubbish some other areas used to pull. If you have licensing cover you could seek advaice on taking them to Court. There's absolutely no basis for refusing you a CF for a period of time. Licences are supposed to be granted on need, ie good reason, not the passage of time. It should depend on what the land is suitable for, the type of prey to be shot and the distances you need to be able to shoot them at. As for open licences, they're supposed to be granted on need also, although in absence of need, experience does often play apart. That said if you have a need, it should be granted, maybe with a mentoring condition.
Some friends of mine got CF licenses, open at 1st grant because they deer stalk in Scotland, albeit with a mentor condition attached. I've heard of others getting it where they get frequent invitations to shoot from others making tying the licence soley to a single piece of land impossible.
The whole idea you can only have a rf at 1st grant for the 1st year and then a CF but not certain calibres after a year, then no open ticket for 5 yrs is rubbish.
Interstingly the area where my friends had their certificate granted at 1st grant, used to have the same policy. RF only at 1st grant and no CF until 5 years experience. I believe it was only after the Head of Firearms left after some kind of investigation that it all changed to a more open and policy based system under a new head. There's no evidence whatsoever that I'm aware of any increased risk or incidents as a result of the new policy.
But this is the trouble with guidelines, they're exactly that and with no penalties, and Licensing cases being so expensive most can't afford them, forces can pretty much do what they want. -
Surprised the snowflake neighbours haven't complained to the Council.
See he has CCTV (although the cameras are mounted too high for a facial shot), but would have thought it would have been better in the back garden in any event. Would have made an excellent lawn centre piece. Despite the CCTV, I predict a poor fate for this stag. -
Has it definately gone deep and not splashed on that 1st fox Ben? Could be why he ran. Very difficult to tell from a photo.
Personally, I'd go for heavier ammo with a .204. Although speed is king in many ways, the .204 has speed with all the choices and you'll only wear the barrel faster once you go over 4,000fps.
Personally I'd try the 40gr Vmax. It's still 3900fps witrh Hornady Super Performance and around 3700fps with normal ammo. Should hit harder and penerate deeper. Just my thoughts. -
11 hours ago, Gav said:
Maybe we could use depleted uranium
that'd be safer huh
Well it stops runners.
If it gets away, simply go out the following night and follow the glow.-
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Like I said good reason and an extra witness. Nothing that would have prevented something like this. Suitability of land is simply to ensure stray bullets don't exit the boundaries. Tying a gun to a piece of land still doesn't stop the owner going crazy.
I think for once the Home Office got the recommendations right rather than going over the top and that is to check social media for signs of worrying posts. I also think the Police have some explaining to do, however, not for the return of the gun after an assault - anyone can end up in a fight and it's not necessarily their fault eg getting jumped on an night out. That's where I find this whole notion of you should never break even the smallest law wrong. eg get caught speeding and it indicates you have no respect for authority. It doesn't - minor infractions such as a speeding offence shouldn't count against you. What the Police need to concentrate on is getting the major warning signs right rather than trying to create an ownership of nuns. People with persistent fights, recent history of violence, always in trouble or getting reported, media posts, extremist groups etc is where the danger lies. Not Joe Bloggs doing 35 in a 40. Where alarm bells should be ringing is if there's a history of it, or as reported here if you believe some of the media, where members of the family are saying the guy is ill and not fit. That's what the Police should be listening to. If the guys own family is possibly saying he's mentally ill and unfit, you have to take notice and investigate.