She gave birth too a noral size one that was dead and another that seemed to have died about a week before birth looking at the development of the kit had to help with the 3rd as she couldnt seem to give birth to it and was struggling this again was dead but normal size, after that she bleed heavily a vet was imformed but said nothing could be done but gave no indication of what could have caused this odd birth i no its nature just dont like to see them suffer, thanks for the comment vin much apprciated