I have an old bitch by golly proved herself in the field, took all game and was silent doing it , a very good bitch and has produced some good dogs too. I agree there are good and bad in every litter and every line of dogs, this line can be early starters but late to mature , recognising the difference and knowing when to hold them back can be the key to bringing them on and having a good dog. But [BANNED TEXT] do I know