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4 hours ago, ALLYMOORE said:
why are some men labaled pedlers, and others are not, yet they are all selling dogs, didnt the man himself sell litters to the states
Who are you referring to as the nan himself, if its ac then no he didn't although a lot of pups were sold by using his name he actually only sold a couple and also gifted a couple and the men that got them can verify this,I think there were 2 different lads in USA, got 4 pups
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7 hours ago, Blackmag said:
Tp never really worked any dog over there I remember tully his Wheaton never seen a tap of work same as whisky his Wheaton grey who tully killed in a kennel fight yet they were made out to be grafters and all this and that about his dogs
other mens names I did offer him good money for a young bull x bitch but he knocked me back saying some shite about high expectations she probably never left that chain
The Teddy dog when it went back to tp from what I've been told seen very little work either, but then again that's just hear say,I do know that Ted was also used on a lot of bitchs but they only really clicked when a bitch of his own blood was took to him. Was it not his wife that kept the Wheaton for show and breeding.
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7 hours ago, Blackmag said:
Tp bought him as a stud dog and put him to any bitch a cash cow due to his breeding and the name behind him he was sorting a.c. with dog meat at the time .tp has been having heart issues lately and moved in to causian shepherds a few years ago
Yes he was never worked after tp got him,served a lot of bitchs.
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8 hours ago, Ballypreacusterriers said:
A bitch called Judy belonging to a man in Kildale she was bred out of tp Holly and j powers Bruno dog from cork
I was told she was owned by a man from bray a mate if mine dug over her several times, he also had a brother to Teddy, lost on a dig in kildare, my mate dug with cm at the time
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2 hours ago, Ballypreacusterriers said:
That's for sure I knew the dog personally I seen the dog being dug to
I believe Teddy was reared and started by a man from portlaoise now since passed away, he was good mates with tp, reared a few dogs for him and got them started.
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16 hours ago, Ballypreacusterriers said:
Neil cooney how did TP get his hands on nigger in the first place ?
Nigger was left in Kildare by ac after a hard dig,ac couldn't bring him back with him and awhile after that tp bought the dog from another man who had him at the time.
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17 hours ago, sionnach99 said:
Lots of good lads about the country still working there dogs hard and flying under the radar. The way it should be.
Still loads of lads at it ,week in week out and not in it for fame or money like a lot of the so called big dog men. When you listen to lads biggin up terriers and then 6 months later ask how a certain dog is doing and the turn around and say ,oh I sold that dog wasn't for me,didn't like the way it worked, bollox,it's all about Money to them.
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9 hours ago, stevie g 2005 said:
Are you not out hunting with a lad that had a few pups off that line sure he try to sell them to me years ago truth reason was they were to small and this boy will tell you he doesn’t sell dogs and has a farm boys yous are full of shite did you not say that you owned a terrier that was 12 inches tall and 13 pound weight that was dug to one pit never dug to it twice any quarry lol surprised you didn’t buy one of them f**k up the lot of yous and stop talking shite
Already told you I'm digging with the same lad over 25 years and another chap that came back from America a few year ago,haven't a clue as to who your on about and as for that little dog he was the business, several good men seen him dug to both over here and in England. The dog was down of peelers poker dog and a nuttal bitch but what would you know, with your French bull xs
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On 02/05/2022 at 03:28, stevie g 2005 said:
Listen son do me a favour and and f**k off probably your the same as fatman I don’t be on here long enough to know anything about you but I know this fatman is in this site years giving his bit about terrier work to be honest I was a bit stump about him asking about the dog when he hunts with a guy that had stuff off the line surely he would be able to let him know the craic cos this boy is the main man when it comes to terriers lol yous are all full of shite put that in your pipe and smoke it anyway what it’s got to do with you you hunting with these top terrier men don’t make me laugh
I asked a simple question as there is none of that blood about me and who this man is that I hunt with that has it,well enlighten me as I'm digging with the same lad the last 25 years and apart from him an odd invite, now act your age ,no need for the sarcasm.
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12 hours ago, stevie g 2005 said:
They way it should be instead of guys asking about dogs on a open forum from what I have listen to off the fella that started this thread he seems to have a high opinion about terriers and what he knows about terriers so i find it a bit strange that he could not get the information he wanted from people in the circles of terrier work
I asked a simple question, nothing malicious about it,wasn't or am not trying to offend anybody. There is none of that particular blood up my end and another man just by coincidence brought up the dealer dog in conversation so I just asked was there any of that blood still on the go as its been a long time since I actually heard or seen it mentioned on here or anywhere else,also it's a working dog forum,questions will be asked.
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2nd week of February we pull the plug, I think myself its only right, in fairness people that hunt on into march are only killing there own sport. Keepers and such well they have a job to do and a vixen feeding cubs can do a lot of damage around pens but your ordinary terrier lad imo should show respect for the quarry he hunts.
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On 17/04/2022 at 18:00, dev said:
He was bred in Leitrim and was old nuttall blood
Did he come out of pk yard dev
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I remember that video,can anyone say what age the dog was when he died and when he died
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Had the pleasure of meeting Mr.nuttal on a couple of occasions and he was a true gentleman, may he rip
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21 minutes ago, tank34 said:
Is the dog on YouTube fat man
I think he is actually
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26 minutes ago, chesney said:
Would TW himself still have any of it about
Is he still in the game Chesney
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On 11/12/2020 at 16:08, chesney said:
I not sure to be honest allymoore i heard there was a dog called mick was her father then it was supposed to be a brother of that dog called emo or some name like that iv never heard a word uttered the mother that bitch. Then there was another ped made up for her ssying she was of a dog called jack and sister this mick dog. Good bitch to dig in fairness from what i see of her and produced a few workers aswell.
Was it Nemo Chesney, cm had him
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On 25/11/2020 at 22:02, hard grafter said:
There was a good few a fella liam Delaney another lad fatman and smasher was frequent at that time
All still about hard grafted but this site sort of went down hill as far as working terriers goes, if a man puts up a picture of a terrier that shall we say has seen a lot of work he gets slated and when he puts up one that hasn't seen much he still gets slated saying dog not working lol,hard to win
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1 hour ago, jake824 said:
Within reason if a dog wants to get it ll get. A determined dog will push really tight then others will dig and pull back and u might have to drop in and open up for them . I had a small bitch that punched well above her weight and was nt shy of mixing but worked till retirement so don t think a smaller dog will get pushed about .
No offense but one swallow doesn't make a summer.
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On 14/09/2020 at 15:50, Pirate 9000 said:
Dirty filthy cnuts hope the lad gets is dogs back and they get the punishment they deserve.
They will get no punishment because they won't be caught, yeah the dogs might turn up and for the mans sake I hope they do but the b*****ds that took them won't be got they never are. I can nearly guarantee you that them dogs are on a halting site somewhere and at this stage probably scattered about, I know as I searched for my own for almost a year and never traced them, they can move them so fast even over the water in a matter of hours.
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Bitch I dug yesterday, going on 9 year old and still working to a high level
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15 hours ago, morton said:
We have an awful lot we may agree on,yet its impossible to state there is a line of pure bred black terriers when none ever existed,its also impossible to fully know an outcross lineage as most of them carried an unknown factor.I totally agree that the black terrier went down the outcross route because of poor breeding standard,as you say"why fix something that's not broke".The money men put dollar before work ethic,something that's fecked up most working terrier breeds,this breeding infiltrates all future generations at times,it may not show up on paper,it may be denounced,yet its there.The way forward is to accept that fact and never willingly breed towards a lie again.The working terrier suffers because of chancers and profit and again its not a modernish phase in the terriers development and many a turd is to be found in all breeding,it may go back further in some,it may play an insignificant role in the work ethic of future litters yet its there and will always surface at times.There is to much litter wastage in the vast majority of Bedlington litters,id go as high as 95% in all Bedlingtons bred.The black terrier does not suffer with those type of statistics yet every decade that percentage is getting higher.A few like minded souls will strive to make sure the Black terrier,as a grafter,stays true to its working worth,you have a better chance as there is a better working gene pool,a few Bedlington owners only wish is to be accepted in the same manner.I can state hand on heart that my litters have an high tendency to become workers.
I agree with you and respect you for trying to keep your bedlingtons for work purposes and not show or money orientated, and you are correct, a lot of black dogs are bred nowadays just for profit, working ability doesn't come into it, it's a shame that people can actually f**k up years of breeding for a few pounds, and I've heard recently that there is talk of the patterdale being recognized by the kc, that will really f**k the breed up.
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1 hour ago, morton said:
The black terrier is more basterdised than most.It became the go to terrier,everybody wanted one and everybody started breeding.Its a fact that many a kennel outcrossed to improve the working potential of the breed and improve them.
I know several kennels of black dogs and there has been nothing mixed with them in years of breeding, they don't need to, the black terrier has all it takes to make an earth dog, agree some have gone mad and x them with bull blood and other stuff but them same dogs had to be lacking to start with. The line I keep has had nothing added to it in 60 year from the man that bred them and the men that bred the original stuff, I don't believe they used anything either, why fix something that's not broke . The bedlington and border and all them other types have all been f****d up by the kc club I know some lads still try to work them and keep them right but percentage wise compared to the black dogs there way behind, like how many workers do you get when you breed a litter, straight up and I mean to a high level, not bolting the odd fox from a drain, I mean out and out digging dogs that will be dug to consistently every time there fit,and how much wastage is there compared to the black dogs, and I know in some cases there's a lot in the black dogs aswell but that's down imo to the way they are bred as I think a good 75 percent of pups bred nowadays are for profit.
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patterdales in ireland
in Earthdogs & Working Terriers
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Scarface you are right in what you say about a lot of lads would have nothing only for these men,but ac didn't do like tp and put his dogs across any bitch that was brought to him,in fact I actually was standing beside him at a show one day when a chap asked for a service and ac replied by asking what the bitch was doing work wise,when the chap replied ac reclined the offer of a service, it was all down to standard's with ac,nothing else, work always came first, he did sell pups and parted with a couple of old dogs,blitz/soldier being one but as far as he was concerned the dogs digging days were finished and the man that brought him wanted to breed some decent pups which he did by all accounts. Ac is well into his 70s now and never went down the same road as nutral,rip or gould ,parks,any of them,plus the fact he has never advertised pups or dogs for sale, people came to him looking for his stuff. I got my first bitch of him through a Friend and a few services since then and no money ever parted hands and we were always made welcome, I think if you treat the man right with respect he will do the same to you.