There are many different methods and what works for you may not work for someone else, if a shake bottle works for you then thats all thats needed, I know a couple of mine would totally ignore the shake bottle. You say people knocking what they know little about but why are you the "expert"? I've been training dogs for various things for years but i'm always learning As for us being wasters, the good thing about this forum is that its about different opinions :11:
could,nt agree more with that one i have kept dogs for many years but am learning new things all the time