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  12. Variation

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    2 minutes ago, ianm said:

    I would think most people have their rifles AOLQ so if the calibre is is actually legal for that particular quarry it is automatically "conditioned".

    That was going to my next question, it states "and any other lawful quarry" on my 22.250 so it is after all already conditioned for Muntjac.  

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  13. Variation

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    On 26/10/2020 at 20:24, goldfinger said:

    Going back to the start of this thread, thank you all for your help and advice,I have decided and purchased the 22.250 on my ticket, a Tikka T3x Stainless, first outing after zeroing rifle the same day I nailed at vixen at around the 150 mark,put a central group of three round at 200 mtrs 2" group on a steel 8" target they all zipped right through the 1/4" steel plate so very happy with rifles performance, need better steel though.

    As for the Deer Calibre 243,to many hoops to jump through for me at this moment in time,in my book its all about enjoying the sport,the Deer even thought very important to control will have to wait for the time being, the land owner is very sympathetic and agrees with me, he is a good mate of mine as well which helps.

    In the future when i'm ready to pursue the 243 again I will be better prepared for the FAO. 

    Anyone on here got there 22.250 conditioned for Muntjac?

     

  14. Variation

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    On 15/10/2020 at 18:30, goldfinger said:

    A few weeks ago I put in a centerfire variation  for a 243 I already had 22.250 on my ticket but decided to hold back and find some land with deer on that the farmer wanted controlling hoping to be able to get a 243 that covered me for everything and only buy one rifle,the land was inspected and passed in part for the caliber, the Fao phoned telling that they were refusing the variation on the grounds only that  I had no experience of shooting deer, this was there only reason,they told me to re-apply after I had  some stalking experience, is this a legal requirement and can they insist on this before granting.previously I had told them that I had done a hell of alot research on this subject and was a very confident of humanely dispatching a deer, also that I had a lot of years in the army shooting similar and bigger calibres and new with confidence how centerfire rounds behave,I felt very insulted that they though I needed this experience,all my life I have been involved in some sort of vermin control and believe me that's a lot of years.

    Going back to the start of this thread, thank you all for your help and advice,I have decided and purchased the 22.250 on my ticket, a Tikka T3x Stainless, first outing after zeroing rifle the same day I nailed at vixen at around the 150 mark,put a central group of three round at 200 mtrs 2" group on a steel 8" target they all zipped right through the 1/4" steel plate so very happy with rifles performance, need better steel though.

    As for the Deer Calibre 243,to many hoops to jump through for me at this moment in time,in my book its all about enjoying the sport,the Deer even thought very important to control will have to wait for the time being, the land owner is very sympathetic and agrees with me, he is a good mate of mine as well which helps.

    In the future when i'm ready to pursue the 243 again I will be better prepared for the FAO. 

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  15. Variation

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    1 hour ago, Rabid said:

    It’s all bull.

    As you already have 22-250 you have passed most of the criteria for holding one, suitability, safety etc etc, the only further requirement to move onto a 243 is ‘good reason’.

    there is a short cut, but it’s expensive, join a deer syndicate,  a1 decoy offer one for £750, it gives over 100 000 acres to your disposal for every deer species in the uk, land mostly cleared to 375.

    that's all you have to give them, good reason to own said Calibre,  sure they like the mentor idea, they love the dsc paperwork, but none of it is a requirement, all of them will help you though.
     

    I would actually say the dsc is an enjoyable course, I did mine with an open mind and really enjoyed it, the tutor was a wealth of information, met some good lads on it that I have actually now been out with, and learnt a lot.

    That's the part I struggle to come to terms with,(the fact that I have been given centrefire calibre on my ticket) and deemed to be a responsible suitable person, Quote the farmer wants me to control the foxes so the FAO gave me the centre fire up to 233,the farmer wants me to control the deer but FAO won't give me the calibre and suggested I do some deer stalking, then re-apply.  

  17. Variation

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    Lets start from early this year on my renewal, "Ok" I put in for centre fire Fox 243, the FEO said that I cannot put 243 for fox its a deer calibre, so then I requested 22.250 which they granted, before I had the money to purchase the 22.250 a farmer asked me to control Deer that were starting to show more often on his land were he had given me permission to shoot over so I decided to hold fire and only purchase one gun, (one more gun is all that I can afford) that did all the jobs in case I was asked by anyone else, I then put in the variation 243 for Fox and Deer, the rest I have explained.

    The FOA returned my licence but with no accompanying letter setting out the reason for refusal and what I needed to do to meet there demands,to be fair to the FAO they did phone me whilst I was at work but I was very busy at the time and didn't have much time to absorb or ask the right questions. 

    Now I am going to email the FOA and try and get them to be more detailed into how much experience I need to gain from someone taking me out with the appropriate calibre,(how long,how many sessions, what form of evidence they require, and then will I be able to shoot this calibre on my own afterwords.

     

  18. Variation

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    Will do Meece and thank you for your opinion, I nearly bought the 22.250 today but resisted for the moment, i'm going to email FAO on monday asking them what exactly I have to do to satisfy there requirements for me to own and shoot 243 before I make my mind up whether or not to give up and buy the 22.250, there is a few people that I know that are willing to take me along with there rifle for the experience, unfortunately the FAO didn't say how much experience I need before I'm let loose on my own,I cannot come to terms with there demands but suppose I will have to, very frustrating though when they give me on an open any rifle up to 233.   

  19. Variation

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    4 hours ago, Meece said:

    And from this experiment we find  that.  .????

    BASC's reply

    Ok its probably because you haven’t bought the centrefire yet that they won’t grant the .243

     

    Experience is outlined in the Home Office guide as follows, albeit forces are not content with allowing rimfire experience to move on to new calibres.

     

    The only way you will move froward on this is to get someone to lend you a rifle of largest calibre possible under their supervision and get them to vouch for you that you can choose safe backstops.

     

    They cannot make you go and get deer experience, this is not required.

     

    HO guidance says as follows;

     

    13.26 It is desirable that new applicants should have some previous experience of the safe use of firearms before using such rifles. Experience is neither cartridge nor ammunition type exclusive. It may include the shooting of any quarry species. The aspect that police are looking to be satisfied about is the competency of the applicant to take a safe shot every time. The shooting of any quarry requires a safe backstop for the shot, and such experience is transferable between quarry species.

     

  20. Variation

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    31 minutes ago, Stavross said:

    That’s not right, .243 is not just a deer round although deer legal, a long time ago when I went for my first centrefire for foxing I was advised by firearms to go for .243 because it’s deer legal, I said I don’t shoot deer, he said you might want to in the future. If the land has been cleared for that calibre telling you you need to get experience is not a good enough reason, they don’t know if you will be going out with someone who will show you what to do and they say you need experience, so could you reapply and say “ my mate took me out and now I have experience “ 

    11 hours ago, walshie said:

    That's nonsense. Not sure how you can get stalking experience without a gun to shoot them with. They really do make it up as they go along. Are you a member of a shooting organisation? 

    I'm going talk to BASC today.

     

     

     

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  22. Variation

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    A few weeks ago I put in a centerfire variation  for a 243 I already had 22.250 on my ticket but decided to hold back and find some land with deer on that the farmer wanted controlling hoping to be able to get a 243 that covered me for everything and only buy one rifle,the land was inspected and passed in part for the caliber, the Fao phoned telling that they were refusing the variation on the grounds only that  I had no experience of shooting deer, this was there only reason,they told me to re-apply after I had  some stalking experience, is this a legal requirement and can they insist on this before granting.previously I had told them that I had done a hell of alot research on this subject and was a very confident of humanely dispatching a deer, also that I had a lot of years in the army shooting similar and bigger calibres and new with confidence how centerfire rounds behave,I felt very insulted that they though I needed this experience,all my life I have been involved in some sort of vermin control and believe me that's a lot of years.

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