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Posts posted by tom1cameron
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You're as bad as the media Tom, that's why I called you a dick in an earlier reply and I stand by that statement.
Thanks!
Do you think that the kind of hunting activity portrayed in that program, (I haven't even seen it but I can guess at the gist..) is how the majority of lurcher boys hunt?I have no idea.....? Genuinely.....I get lots of feedback from farmers I work with in Yorkshire that they have coursers on their land without permission. I dont know the other side of the story.
I am so ignorant of this subject I have no idea whether coursers have an association or not...if you do you should get onto the BBC to demand they make a counter statement about this generalisation of your behaviour if you think it warrants it. The story is on their news website.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8311269.stm
I'd say that most of the dog lads on here don't agree with the sort of behaviour that gets carried out by the mindless idiots that threaten land owners and destroy property. These type of people give the rest of us a bad name because people like yourself start to believe everything they see and hear on media outlets like the BBC and read in the sensationalist press.Off course Joe bloggs believes it. There is no smoke without fire. But you cant seriously believe that it is the media's fault for the bad PR......yes they screwed up the story in other ways........... but what are the lads on here that you have described going to do about changing that public opinion?
One option is to ignore it...I am no good at this but I appreciate that it may be the best course of action.
Look....I am coming across as a bad guy...maybe I am...I certainly would stand up for coursing when in the law and for a means to control pests or to gather food......that fits with my philosophy....what I was getting at was why on earth have coursers got such a bad image both on the media.....and amongst many others in the countryside/farming community.
Is it just becase we are ignorant or is there a PR job to be done?
Again with my best intentions
T
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Just one more attempt to get this post back on track........lets say I dont care whether you catch hares or rabbits.........
Do you think the claims of thuggery are fair.......?
Do you think the claims of poaching are fair.......?
Why is it a God given right to abuse others and poach their land?
Hands up...I am a boring person who does not hunt with lurchers:)
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Time will come when shooting is in the spotlight, dicks like the OP will be crying for support when it happens. I wonder what the outcome will be...
Shame, because in reality we're all in it together.
Shooting IS in the spotlight mate.....and we have to do our best to be seen as squeakly clean model citizens. This allows us the upper hand when dealing with the law makers!
I am with you on this Maltenby..... what I have posted is not anti coursing.....it is anti poaching and anti "getting caught" or blatently admiting that you break the law.
Because of the reality of us all being in this together...any bad PR that shooting brings or coursing or hunting or stalking or fishing brings ....it hits us all!
I probably wont post on this again....but it would be nice to hear what anyone constructively thinks about what the BBC has claimed against coursers as supposed to just saying you think I'm a tosser! Whether that be true or not
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Thanks for all the positive criticisms....I appreciate this is a difficult subject but please be assured I raised it to ask what coursers on here thought about the article on the BBC and in particular the very bad PR they accuse you of.....that coursers....1. chase hares, 2. enter land without permission all the time...3. Threaten landowners who try to tackle them.................I'll deal with the ban comments second.........
Leeview....you are right...It is poaching before or after the ban.....how can the dog working community complain of all the things that are said and done against them such as dog theft and discrimination when complaints from landowners are so rife!
My main fear is the bad PR that farmers and landowners feel for their physical safety at the hands of "coursers"...grouping people who work with dogs (myself included) as thugs. There are many innacuracies in the BBC article and I have sent in a series of correction suggestions...all that said.....
I have friends who have been threatened by both poachers but also by coursers as well.....this is not on...and I guess that is my main point....
This bad PR is as bad a PR for other country sports enthusiasts...we are all classed as "Hunters" by the media and joe public!
I am totally with you on the crap that has become the coursing/hunting ban.......but it has happened...so what do we do?
I never went hunting with dogs but I think the legislation is completely useless and therefore a waste of time and money.
So you know where I am coming from....my stance is relatively neutral.
I dont want to say on here.......that I lift my hat to those who rebel against what is a very ethical as supposed conservation based legislation.....but if I were to I would say please do it on land that you have permission for!
But it remains a point that while it is illegal (it could change?).......should it be so blatently flouted? The fox hunters think so according to Shooting TV.
If you send a dog on a rabbit but it finds a hare...that is one thing......that is not what the BBC were talking about but I expect it would be treated similarly to genuine accidents of non-quarry species being killed when shooting.
With the best intentions
T
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Whether it is impartial or not...this is not the first time that hare coursers have been portrayed as people who eneter land they dont own, without permission to course game and then threaten any landowners who stand up against them.....
Is this the norm or are there some of you out there who think this is wrong.....
If so....tell the CA or some other organisation to get a response on there as it comes across very bad
I have no time for people who threaten others...it brings the whole hunting, shooting and fishing communities into disrepute.
T
PLEASE read all posts before replying...may help
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Just to follow up
IN short
The question is not about competance or experience. It is part of their interpretation of making sure the individual knows what the parts of gun are and do (seems silly but you never know what a gun virgin could do if they had never held one before and just bought one and went home?).
So it is a H&S question to make sure that the applicant is not a danger to themselves once they get the cert. They just want to use trust (by speaking to someone they feel is trustworthy, i.e. a cert holder) to check that the individual has had some "basic" instruction on safety with a shotgun. Nothing else. Also...they prefer if it is relatively recent.....
I am actually happy with this now......but I did get a FEO to explain why clearly.....the way that my mate was told left him thinking he had to prove he could hit clays etc etc
Difficult job an FEO..........
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for the second time I have just been asked to witness, over the phone, that I have seen a friend use a shotgun recently so that he can be granted a shotgun licence.
As I understand it this is not something that an applicant should be asked to do.
And given this applicant is a former marine and has stories of gameshooting over the world and hung up his guns while working in India and has now retired.......it is completely ridiculous.
I am speaking to BASC but what I want to know is whether anyone else in West Yorks has been asked to prove they have shot a shotgun recently while applying for a cert?
Let me know by posting on forum or send a PM
Best wishes
Tom
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I was shooting with one of these with Riverside Outdoor....they are pretty good when it is wild and windy..deadly....
have not tried them in calm weather
T
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£50 seems to be a going rate this season.........
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Wag/8 bore
Thanks! Always nice to get postive criticism!
Always factory loads.....simple reason is that Joe Hunter when shooting duck usually shoots a factory shell through a 12g.
I have a hunch, from what I have seen thus far of the all results sent into BASC, is that there is greater pattern retention from homeloads (i.e. less flyers)........that may be because of higher velocity which tightens steel patterns unlike with lead where it increases flyers....anyway...a debate about to start from that claim alone no doubt
Best be off to change my deeks from long lines to droppers....the ducks are gettin' a visit tomorrow
Hasta la Vista
T
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estimated 24% growth since last years count of pinkfeets and there are loads of young birds in the early season bag....of 5 some friends I I dropped from a small pack a few weeks back......4 were defo first years and 1 was still a youngster but maybe 2 years old......
They were tasty
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so you bid for the goose shooting lease at Eccup then! Good man to know.
Take a look at euring.com
Greylags can live for up to 40 years.......outwith hunting pressure....
So a 7 year old is still a young-un
Besides....there are so many recipes to use with older birds it doe snot matter...try a confit
T
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Well done V-max, a fantastic foreshore flight!
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Pinkfoots, 290,000+ and rising consistantly for years
Resident Greylags and Resident Canada's are ditto....
while we have an "ethical" limit placed, not a legal one...for migratory pinks and greys the current situation is that we.....as a shooting population....
are not doing enough to limit a growing and potentially damaging population of greylags and canada geese in England and Wales
I said before that local overexploitation must be a potential problem.....but I have not seen any evidence of it published or spoken of
As said earlier in discussion..............if they get eaten....whats the problem
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sorry...did not notice the title....well done on the goose with that lead load..... it can be done...just nae wise!.......hopefully it was a short ranger
My mate was out topping up feeders at the very end of last season...he was at the top of a hill and had just stepped out of the car when he heard "wink wink"...
He turned around and there was a solitary pink heading in his direction no more than 20 yards up.....he grabbed his sons 20 bore and shuffed in a couple of shells...bang....and it crumples into the field behind him....his lab brings back a dead goose.....
Not bad for a 21gram load of 7's!
I like to hang the birds too but for ducks and geese I like to draw them asap after the kill and with diving ducks I try to bleed them as well
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Either go for the whole roast or the covered roast crown.......
I sizzle mine in the hottest oven for about 20-30 mins then turn right down to about GM 5 or 150 for a while.
Aim to serve well done legs but medium breast meat.......
Really important to let it rest afterwards under foil for a good 30 mins before serving
What species is it?
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I appreciate this is not a premium rifle...but I am contemplating getting one of these for 50-
yard range "occassional" roe cull. The range is set by the terrain and the number of deer per year will unlikely exceed 5........so a £280 new gun sounds ideal.
Just awaiting the info on barrel twist rates from York guns but wondered if anyone else has or has used one?
Best wishes
Tom
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If you are shooting a 20g I would recommend you go down the tungsten shot route... very effective if a 20g I hear
Remington Wingmaster HD (4's), Gamebore ITM (3's) ...... both rather expensive but you wont use many
Lyalvale Hevishot does not load a 20g
Ultimately if you are new to shooting lead-free shot you should be patterning your gun before you go near quarry...(IMO).
Where are you planning to go on the solway......have you got a wildfowling permit for one of the concession areas...are you going on club ground...are you going to attempt to shoot a "free fowling" area.........
More info required to help point you in the direction of contacts who will know the local ground.
Best wishes
Tom
PS If it is your first time foreshore wildfowl shooting please do not go on your own unless you are very confident you can tell the difference between the different goose and duck species that are on and off the quarry list!
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DEKER
still not sure on the rifle issue re is it legal to use one...my thoughts now are probably but please ask BASC....
re lead
This is on the general licence
The authorised person should have regard to the Environmental Protection (Restriction on Use of Lead Shot) (England) Regulations 1999 (SI 1999/2170). Regulation 3 prohibits the use of lead shot for the purpose of shooting geese with a shot gun.
Clearly say that it is in reference to using a shotgun
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Strathbeg warden has posted that first birds arrived earlier this week....but some were spotted high over Montrose heading south 10-14 days ago.
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Step 1: Join BASC (that is a personal position, but it does help, especially in Scotland/ or perhaps I should say that in general BASC helps Scottish fowling)...Step 2: If there is one that os practical or nearby to you...join a fowling club (ESWCA as a general East coast club or there are some more local ones) or get a fowling contact via the BASC scotland office....
Drop me a PM stating where you are based and where you would like to go fowling and I'll see what I can suggest. But that is what BASC Scotland are there for and they would love to hear from you!
Foreshore fowling in Scotland is only prohibited under byelaws which are brought in by local authorities. There are no foreshore leases in Scotland so clubs can only manage land above the foreshore but it does not stop anyone hunting the foreshore (unless that foreshore is unaccessable/dangerous etc etc).
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Ouch...RSPB and DEFRA share a bed...what an acusation!
I agree John...has to be about the food ..traded off with whether it is sustainable.
I am still convinced......that the ethics of shooting large bags of "introduced" Canada's is not the same as feral Greys or "migratory" geese..........
Gunhills......what happened to your geese...how did you process them...full pluck or crowns only!
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Maybe you are right...Maybe he should have..........As I said ...Ethics is a funny subject.....as is the definition of wildfowling.....but I dont think it is fair to condem him when many others kill as many geese over inland decoys between more guns.
As long as it is not wanton waste, and as long as it is not birds from natural European migratory flightlines .....if that were the case I would agree with you....that is when it is just not on.
Still not had a shot on Canada's ........hopefully one morning this week
ps just to start a debate........ what is sport...the skill in the shot or the number you take or the fact that you killed it or the fact that you ate it.......
I dont like this notion of "Sporting shot"....it is about safety and clean kills regardless of how easy or difficult the shot was! Just a thought.
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fantastic story Woollyback...and a great picture...so you shooting the North West coast?
T
Hare coursing on BBC
in Lurchers & Running Dogs
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Fair enough jamie....the shoe fits then.......I am sure there is a difference between the romantic styled picture you paint of poaching and the stories reported to the police about threatening behaviour.......
Just for the record.....I only pull the trigger on land where I have permission to do so......