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Well this will be the day we roll out the new ACES weight pull rules, all rules will be stated before the day and of course as always are subject to change, if we find they are not working as we thought they would.
ACES days running order
2 digitally timed runs. (100 meters for adults, 50 meters for pups & newbies)
1 group race (optional, all dogs must wear muzzles)
Weight pull simultaneously running with 1 of the following supervised activities : Vertical scale, Long jump or A-Frame competition.
Pups under 12 months old are free but are limited to what they are allowed to do, older pups can be placed in the longer runs ect if owners wish to pay the £5 fee.
Crates are useful if you have them although we do have a secure holding area for dogs that do not have them.
Well fitting collars and strong leads are a must, if you have a spare lead then bring it along, makes life easier.
Burger van with very reasonable prices and lovely food by the fabulous Kim will be in attendance for this day.
Hope you can make it...........
ACES field
A23 London bound
RH17 6BA
The next ACES day after this one will be 23rd Aug and it will be a championship day, IKC points available for 1st placing IKC registered dogs at ACES Championship days.
Hi Keeley,
We're hoping to make it. Is there camping there or anywhere nearby? What time do you reckon you'll get started on Saturday morning? Hopefully all of us will be pitching up to see you.
Cheers
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So many kind people have rung me today... but for anyone who hasn't rung up about the advert in the paper - the show is on 18TH JULY. That is the 18TH JULY
So sorry about the mis-print. It is the 18th July though, so please make sure that's the day you come to the...
WOODHAM FERRERS & BICKNACRE TERRIER, LURCHER & FERRET SHOW
18TH JULY 2009 (SATURDAY)
Terrier & Lurcher judging starts at noon. (Ferrets at 2pm)
Loads of qualifiers, including Chatsworth, Countryman's, East Anglain, Heart of Wales, Welsh Valleys, Scottish, Pride of The Peaks, Bull Cross qualifers and more!
Fun classes (best condition, waggiest tail, handsome this and pretty that etc) start at 11am in case you want a "warm-up".
All the usual terrier & lurcher classes and we may include some obedience (yes, I've been reading other topics in this forum!)
Excellent judges too.
ACES are coming too - it's well known what a brilliant job they do, so I don't need say anymore about the racing and agility!
Then there'll be ferret racing too - got a lad coming from Derbyshire to do that with all the stuff (I was going to say "kit" but that would be an obvious pun!)
Plenty of prizes (as always), but bring a bottle
- sorry, no beer tent after all. 
For us, it's about supporting working dogs and countryside activities - no frills.
One final message - it's on the 18th July!!
Cheers
07703 170512
hi mate, whats the adress that will be held at, nearest train station etc and also is the an enterece fee?
soory for the spot light interveiw lol
all the best lurcher lass
Hi,
Address is Lodge Road Playing Field, Lodge Road, Woodham Ferrers, CM3 4HL. Make sure you don't go to South Woodham Ferrers though because it's in the village of Woodham Ferrers! No entrance fee, but small charge for schedules instead (docking law and all that!) Nearest train station - South Woodham Ferrers, then a number 36 bus to Lodge Road in Woodham Ferrers. It is only a mile or so from the train station, but it's not a good walk - no pavement and busy road.
Hope you can make it.
Cheers
L
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Hey Lucy will it definately be going ahead tomrrow despite our lovely weather we've had today? i know what some land owners can be like about their fields
Yeah - we're definitely going ahead! That field is like concrete! Very well drained!
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Ghostlyease is spot on - the racing will start after the terrier and lurcher championships. (The terrier & lurcher classes start at midday). There may still be some "fun" classes going on in the fun show (waggy tail and all that stuff), but hopefully that'll be far enough away not to be disturbed by the racing.
It's a pretty big field, so there's plenty of room to spread out! (You can google it too see - CM3 4HL)
And as Ghostlyease says, the Long Jump will be going on all day.
Cheers all
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So many kind people have rung me today... but for anyone who hasn't rung up about the advert in the paper - the show is on 18TH JULY. That is the 18TH JULY
So sorry about the mis-print. It is the 18th July though, so please make sure that's the day you come to the...
WOODHAM FERRERS & BICKNACRE TERRIER, LURCHER & FERRET SHOW
18TH JULY 2009 (SATURDAY)
Terrier & Lurcher judging starts at noon. (Ferrets at 2pm)
Loads of qualifiers, including Chatsworth, Countryman's, East Anglain, Heart of Wales, Welsh Valleys, Scottish, Pride of The Peaks, Bull Cross qualifers and more!
Fun classes (best condition, waggiest tail, handsome this and pretty that etc) start at 11am in case you want a "warm-up".
All the usual terrier & lurcher classes and we may include some obedience (yes, I've been reading other topics in this forum!)
Excellent judges too.
ACES are coming too - it's well known what a brilliant job they do, so I don't need say anymore about the racing and agility!
Then there'll be ferret racing too - got a lad coming from Derbyshire to do that with all the stuff (I was going to say "kit" but that would be an obvious pun!)
Plenty of prizes (as always), but bring a bottle
- sorry, no beer tent after all. For us, it's about supporting working dogs and countryside activities - no frills.
One final message - it's on the 18th July!!
Cheers
07703 170512
I should mention as well that there should be some ferret racing going on too at some stage!
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Dogs and bitches mixed????Surely you could separate them.. First time ive seen that
I'd be very surprised if the judge decides not to split them, but it means we can make the font bigger on the schedule if we put it like that - I'm shortsighted! We've got plenty of rosettes, so I'll give you a bottle of wine (or beer) if any of qualifier classes are not split!
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No beer tent.
Yeah, sorry about that Richie10, but there's nothing stopping you bringing your own - would be cheaper too anyway!! If I remember, I'll bring a bottle and share with you!
Thanks!
What age is classed as a puppy?
Thanks
Up to 12 months... Unless the judge decides otherwise, but I think that's most common interpretation - isn't it...
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So many kind people have rung me today... but for anyone who hasn't rung up about the advert in the paper - the show is on 18TH JULY. That is the 18TH JULY
So sorry about the mis-print. It is the 18th July though, so please make sure that's the day you come to the...
WOODHAM FERRERS & BICKNACRE TERRIER, LURCHER & FERRET SHOW
18TH JULY 2009 (SATURDAY)
Terrier & Lurcher judging starts at noon. (Ferrets at 2pm)
Loads of qualifiers, including Chatsworth, Countryman's, East Anglain, Heart of Wales, Welsh Valleys, Scottish, Pride of The Peaks, Bull Cross qualifers and more!
Fun classes (best condition, waggiest tail, handsome this and pretty that etc) start at 11am in case you want a "warm-up".
All the usual terrier & lurcher classes and we may include some obedience (yes, I've been reading other topics in this forum!)
Excellent judges too.
ACES are coming too - it's well known what a brilliant job they do, so I don't need say anymore about the racing and agility!
Then there'll be ferret racing too - got a lad coming from Derbyshire to do that with all the stuff (I was going to say "kit" but that would be an obvious pun!)
Plenty of prizes (as always), but bring a bottle
- sorry, no beer tent after all. For us, it's about supporting working dogs and countryside activities - no frills.
One final message - it's on the 18th July!!
Cheers
07703 170512
hi lucy do you have a schedule you can post
Yeah - Here's the terrier, lurcher and ferret classes:
It's subject to change (minor ones - some classes may be added, don't know yet). "Proper" schedules will be available on the day...
Also, forgot to mention before - no entrance fee at our show...
WOODHAM FERRERS AND BICKNACRE DOG SHOW
18TH JULY 2009 (SATURDAY)
LODGE ROAD PLAYING FIELD, WOODHAM FERRERS, CM3 4HL
TERRIER, LURCHER & FERRET SHOW SCHEDULE
Lurcher Classes (Noon Start)
Puppies (Under 12 Months)
1. Smooth Dog or Bitch Puppy
2. Rough Dog or Bitch Puppy
3. Best Puppy (Winners of Classes 1 & 2)
Over 12 Months (Classes 4 - 8 may be split at the discretion of the judge)
4. Any Lurcher Under 21 inches
5. Smooth Lurcher Dog or Bitch 21 - 23 inches
6. Smooth Lurcher Dog or Bitch over 23 inches
7. Rough Lurcher Dog or Bitch 21- 23 inches
8. Rough Lurcher Dog or Bitch over 23 inches
9. Bull Cross Lurcher
10. Any Variety Sighthound Not Listed in Classes 4-8 Above
(Eg Saluki, Borzoi, Greyhound, Afghan, Wolfhound, Deerhound, Whippet etc)
11. Working Lurcher
12. Veteran Lurcher (Over 7 years)
13. Child Handler (Under 15 years), Any Lurcher - No Sighthounds
14. Best Pair (Whether related or not, similar or opposite)
15. Best Related Threesome
16. Champion & Reserve Champion Lurcher - Winners of Classes 4-8
Terrier Classes (Noon start)
Puppies (Under 12 Months)
1. Any Variety Dog Puppy
2. Any Variety Bitch Puppy
3. Best Puppy (Winners of Classes 1 & 2)
Over 12 Months (Classes 4 - 9 may be split at the discretion of the judge)
4. Black Fell / Patterdale Type Dog or Bitch
5. Lakeland Type Dog or Bitch
6. Jack Russell Dog or Bitch Smooth
7. Jack Russell Dog or Bitch Rough
8. Border Type Dog or Bitch
9. Any Variety Terrier Not Eligible In Classes 4-8 Above
10. Working Terrier
11. Veteran Terrier (Over 7 Years)
12. Child Handler (Under 15 years), Any Terrier
13. Best Pair (Whether related or not, similar or opposite)
14. Best Related Threesome
15. Champion & Reserve Champion Terrier (Winners of Classes 4-9)
Ferret Classes (2pm Start)
1. Under 12 Months Hob or Jill
2. Polecat Hob or Jill
3. White / Albino Hob or Jill
4. Sandy Hob or Jill
5. Coloured Hob or Jill
6. Silver Hob or Jill
7. Child Handler
8. Working Ferret
9. Best Veteran (Over 6 Years)
10. Best Pair
11. Ferret Champion (Winners of Classes 2-6)
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No beer tent.
Yeah, sorry about that Richie10, but there's nothing stopping you bringing your own - would be cheaper too anyway!! If I remember, I'll bring a bottle and share with you!
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So many kind people have rung me today... but for anyone who hasn't rung up about the advert in the paper - the show is on 18TH JULY. That is the 18TH JULY
So sorry about the mis-print. It is the 18th July though, so please make sure that's the day you come to the...
WOODHAM FERRERS & BICKNACRE TERRIER, LURCHER & FERRET SHOW
18TH JULY 2009 (SATURDAY)
Terrier & Lurcher judging starts at noon. (Ferrets at 2pm)
Loads of qualifiers, including Chatsworth, Countryman's, East Anglain, Heart of Wales, Welsh Valleys, Scottish, Pride of The Peaks, Bull Cross qualifers and more!
Fun classes (best condition, waggiest tail, handsome this and pretty that etc) start at 11am in case you want a "warm-up".
All the usual terrier & lurcher classes and we may include some obedience (yes, I've been reading other topics in this forum!)
Excellent judges too.
ACES are coming too - it's well known what a brilliant job they do, so I don't need say anymore about the racing and agility!
Then there'll be ferret racing too - got a lad coming from Derbyshire to do that with all the stuff (I was going to say "kit" but that would be an obvious pun!)
Plenty of prizes (as always), but bring a bottle
- sorry, no beer tent after all. For us, it's about supporting working dogs and countryside activities - no frills.
One final message - it's on the 18th July!!
Cheers
07703 170512
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Just wondered what people think about Obedience competions at shows,
I personaly think it`s a good thing, at a show it breaks up the day a bit, and where`s the harm in having an obedient and under control dog.
Some people i think that the competitions have no relavance in the field, but i.m.o it`s the job of a lurcher to fit in with
whatever work you choose to do with it, and to do that it needs to be obedient .
And perhaps if we get a good response to this thread some show orginisers may take notice and put on a class at their shows..
Yis Mars.
Mmmmm - An interesting point. Well worth consideration.
Would be amusing to see some terriers trying to be obiedient too! (I'm sure most are - just not mine... they think anything is worth a slap!)
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So sorry if someone has already put this up.
http://www.wfandbdogshow.co.uk/2009_show.htm
2009 WOODHAM FERRERS & BICKNACRE COMPANION DOG SHOW & TERRIER, LURCHER AND FERRET SHOW
Lodge Road Playing Field
Woodham Ferrers
CM3 4HL
Lure racing £1 a run, certificates provided
I have to add, we're chuffed to have ACES coming along to our show - they do a fantastic job (as you can see from all the other posts and pictures that ghostlyease has put up in the past).
As always, this promises to be a good day - Saturuday 18th July.
We've got all the usual showing classes and loads and loads of qualifiers up for grabs too, not to mention excellent prizes.
Terrier and Lurcher classes start at noon, but if you want to go in any fun classes, get there for 11am!
Cheers
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heres a couple of piccs of my 5 year old son with his lurcher
he was chuffed to bits at getting their first ever rosette this weekend
tho it was 3rd.
he came back saying we won!! ,with a masive smile
it made my day!!!
he has walked tess on the lead since she was 6 months old.
she will be 1 year in a few weeks.
lofti.
Lovely photo - it brought a tear to my eye, but then I am an old softie and my son is a similar age, so I can well understand how both you and he would be so chuffed!
Well done all three of you! Keep up the good work on our youngsters!
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Here's the ifon picked straight from the Act.........
6 Docking of dogs' tails
(1) A person commits an offence if—
(a) he removes the whole or any part of a dog’s tail, otherwise than for the purpose of its medical treatment;
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he causes the whole or any part of a dog’s tail to be removed by another person, otherwise than for the purpose of its medical treatment.(2) A person commits an offence if—
(a) he is responsible for a dog,
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another person removes the whole or any part of the dog’s tail, otherwise than for the purpose of its medical treatment, and© he permitted that to happen or failed to take such steps (whether by way of supervising the other person or otherwise) as were reasonable in all the circumstances to prevent that happening.
(3) Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply if the dog is a certified working dog that is not more than 5 days old.
(4) For the purposes of subsection (3), a dog is a certified working dog if a veterinary surgeon has certified, in accordance with regulations made by the appropriate national authority, that the first and second conditions mentioned below are met.
(5) The first condition referred to in subsection (4) is that there has been produced to the veterinary surgeon such evidence as the appropriate national authority may by regulations require for the purpose of showing that the dog is likely to be used for work in connection with—
(a) law enforcement,
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activities of Her Majesty’s armed forces,© emergency rescue,
(d) lawful pest control, or
(e) the lawful shooting of animals.
(6) The second condition referred to in subsection (4) is that the dog is of a type specified for the purposes of this subsection by regulations made by the appropriate national authority.
(7) It is a defence for a person accused of an offence under subsection (1) or (2) to show that he reasonably believed that the dog was one in relation to which subsection (3) applies.
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A person commits an offence if—(a) he owns a subsection (3) dog, and
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fails to take reasonable steps to secure that, before the dog is 3 months old, it is identified as a subsection (3) dog in accordance with regulations made by the appropriate national authority.(9) A person commits an offence if—
(a) he shows a dog at an event to which members of the public are admitted on payment of a fee,
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the dog’s tail has been wholly or partly removed (in England and Wales or elsewhere), and© removal took place on or after the commencement day.
(10) Where a dog is shown only for the purpose of demonstrating its working ability, subsection (9) does not apply if the dog is a subsection (3) dog.
(11) It is a defence for a person accused of an offence under subsection (9) to show that he reasonably believed—
(a) that the event was not one to which members of the public were admitted on payment of an entrance fee,
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that the removal took place before the commencement day, or© that the dog was one in relation to which subsection (10) applies.
(12) A person commits an offence if he knowingly gives false information to a veterinary surgeon in connection with the giving of a certificate for the purposes of this section.
(13) The appropriate national authority may by regulations make provision about the functions of inspectors in relation to—
(a) certificates for the purposes of this section, and
(
the identification of dogs as subsection (3) dogs.(14) Power to make regulations under this section includes power—
(a) to make different provision for different cases, and
(
to make incidental, supplementary, consequential or transitional provision or savings.(15) Before making regulations under this section, the appropriate national authority shall consult such persons appearing to the authority to represent any interests concerned as the authority considers appropriate.
(16) In this section—
*
“commencement day†means the day on which this section comes into force;
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“subsection (3) dog†means a dog whose tail has, on or after the commencement day, been wholly or partly removed without contravening subsection (1), because of the application of subsection (3).
hope this makes sense to all.....
What I am wondering is if someone bought a pup over 12 weeks old who's tail was docked illegally what would happen to them/the dog. I know a family who bought a pet terrier and it turns out that they should have received a certificate but nothing came with it. From what I have found only the owner at the time docking should have taken place commits an offence, not the current owners who were unaware of the new law. [ignorance aint a defence though but in all the legislation I have found none mentions that scenario???]
Can anyone comment....
Guess the police could use alot of their manpower trying to find out exactly who docked the dog!! Ridiculous ain't it - it's hard enough trying to find out who's driving a speeding car when the driver says it wasn't them. How on earth do they think they're going to find out who docked the dog!!
I guess the best advice for organisers is, don't charge the gate and for owners of docked dogs make sure you don't win at any shows (regardless of whether gate is charged) in case you draw attention to your dogs tail and have to explain where it is!!
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Hi,
just checked the legislation and it does say the person showing the docked dog also commits an offence [not only the organisers]!!!!! one to watch out for!!!
Is that because it's a different act under which the exhibitor is committing the offence, or is it the same act?
Best advice is, don't do it I guess!
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Some pictures I took from the show....
Looks like it was a lovely show.
Who won what?
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I really want to go out this weekend and was looking about for some terrier shows. there are 3 in Sussex this Sunday (2hours from me). I have two pups and one bitch to take and I dont really fancy going all the way down there to find that they aren't allowing docked pups. 1st one I called up i spoke to someone who didn't have a clue who put me on to the hunt kennels but he hadn't heard of the law but said come down as they'll all be allowed in. 2nd one I spoke to said they are stating NO docked pups so the show doesn't get into trouble but I can enter if the judge lets me. 3rd Never heard of the law either!
What would you do? It's fair way to go to find I can only take one of the three dogs in! Need a brick wall now!!!
Well... As someone who organises a show, here's what I did/do... When the law came out, I got completely hacked off with it... yet another way for Westminster to tell us what to do. But, wanting to be a law abiding citizen, and not wanting to land myself in hot water, I asked the advice of our local bobby, since he would be the one with a responsibility to investigate should a complaint be made.
The long and short of it is that the police obviously have enough to do without going to shows looking for tails and establishing the ages of dogs. However, they have a responsibility to investigate a crime when a crime is alleged to have been committed. I reckon that they would rather up revenue by standing at the side of road with a speed gun than up crime fugures using this ridiculous law.
He did say that donations (yes even voluntary ones) would be against the law, so the best advice is don't charge the gate (we don't) and make up the money elsewhere... He also explained that is is the organisers, not the exhibitors or the judge, who would be arrested/investigated - so beware organisers - ignorance is no defence and while you think you are providing people with a good day out, possibly raising money for charity and promoting activities of working dogs, you could waste your time answering stupid questions about dogs' tails, while the police have better things to do.
Because of this, we decided not to charge the gate last year, or this year.
So, taking GameBirdMeg's, examples, here are my opinions...
With regard to the first example: Ignorance is no defence. The organisers could get into trouble.
With regard to the second example: The organisers (not you or the judge) could get into trouble if the judge let a dog docked after the 6th April 2007 be exhibited.
With regard to your third example: Again, ignorance is no defence.
In short, you can take your dogs docked after 6th April 2007 to s show and exhibit them - you won't get into trouble for showing them - the organisers will. My concern for you however is that if you win and your photos are published in the press, it draws attention to the authorities of both you and the organisers.
Stupid though I think the law is, I don't want to be the one to openly flout the law, so we don't charge entrance. Come along to our show - at this stage, we're not flouting the law and support the showing of docked working dogs.
As a final aside, a previous judge (pre 2007) didn't place a patterdale with a tail. The owner went and asked his opinion on her bitch as she was considering breeding from her. The judge said that she was a lovely bitch, but it was a working dog show, so he wouldn't place her. He said she was worth breeding from, but make sure you dock them.
Right, I'm off now for a lie-down!
Cheers
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Saw a Black Fell in Norfolk today... with a tail.
OK, so I'm not in this forum very often, so you'll have to excuse me if I sound like I'm being a knob. But, I saw a 13 week old adorable black fell puppy in Norfolk today. Couldn't resist it, so I asked the owner (a complete stranger) about the dog...
Apart from the fact that he was cute, nice looking and completely adorable, (and the puppy was too), I'm a sucker for a puppy, and I was curious... The owner told me the dog came from working parents (also in Norfolk)...
I'm curious because although I have patterdales/black fells, I'm not "in the know", kind of keep myself to myself, so just wanted to sneak into this forum to ask if people are stopping docking out there? Obviously the breeders of this pup had decided not to dock (themselves) and presumably couldn't find anyone who would...
Just curious 'cos it's the first one I've seen... I know I help organise a show, but I go very rarely to shows (which makes our show completely "not facey", just supports working dogs etc etc). I'm a bit of an old loner with not much idea of how things are going (re tail docking) out there in the real world... My world is my back yard with my muts!
Cheers All
PS - I know the old tail docking things is probably done to death, so apologies - you don't have to read this though... although by now, you will have! Just don't reply if you've got bored reading!
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Think Ill pop along as well
Will be good to put a face to the name...
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Me too!
As lucy said i will be going to bet you cant spot me in the crowds
Hello Bullpoop... Glad to hear you're coming, but it was TheRabbitMan that said you'd be there. Is there a prize for spotting you in the crowds?
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TO ALL WHO CAME TO OUR SHOW YESTERDAY,THANK YOU
Any photos floating about?
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Nobody have the date for the Essex & Suffolk?
I know they (Essex & Suffolk) have a hound point to point and terrier racing afternoon on 25th May though in case anyone's interested in that! Should be fun. Any more than that, I don't know...
Lucy I came to your show last year and won the Patterdale bitch class and someone to do with the show was taking pictures of the winners. Am i able to see the picture anywhere?
Is this you...
If so, I remember her, she's a credit to you. Mind you, I am biased towards patterdales (as you can probably tell from my photo!)
Thats my girlie! Lol. Thanks Lucy. Hopefully I can get her pups out this year too... Kept two back from a litter I had out of her last year a chocolate dog and a red dog... The chocolate dog is a right poser!
Magic! Hope to see them posing at our show in July!
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Nobody have the date for the Essex & Suffolk?
I know they (Essex & Suffolk) have a hound point to point and terrier racing afternoon on 25th May though in case anyone's interested in that! Should be fun. Any more than that, I don't know...
Lucy I came to your show last year and won the Patterdale bitch class and someone to do with the show was taking pictures of the winners. Am i able to see the picture anywhere?
Is this you...
If so, I remember her, she's a credit to you. Mind you, I am biased towards patterdales (as you can probably tell from my photo!)
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Nobody have the date for the Essex & Suffolk?
I know they (Essex & Suffolk) have a hound point to point and terrier racing afternoon on 25th May though in case anyone's interested in that! Should be fun. Any more than that, I don't know...
Woodham Ferrers & Bicknacre (Essex) - 18th July 2009
in Gamefairs, Meet Up's and Events
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I heard someone say they did the 100m in 4.? seconds. That seemed bloody quick to me, but then I know little about racing dogs! Mine had a run and loved it, although the old girl stopped for a dump half way! Unfortunately I revealed the name of one of my dogs at the other end when I called him back - "Lardy". The skinniest dog in the world! I managed it in about 30 seconds under my own steam.
Seriously, thanks to everyone who came. We were really pleased with the turnout and had lots of good feedback, which is always nice to get and we also got some helpful feedback that will help us make more improvements next year.
As has already been said, Aces were excellent - and I learnt about the "staffie sixpence" which my patterdale x has. (Has anyone else got it on any breed other than a staff?)
Ferret judges, Mr & Mrs Hurst were very helpful giving out lots of advice to first timers, of which there was loads there.
The date for next year is the 17th July. Provisionally, Lurcher judge will be Kevin Lambert and Terrier judge will be Andrew Brewer, subject to them checking work commitments nearer the time 'cos they've got quite a long way to come (304 miles).
Well done to all the winners and if you have any feedback, PM me. (We'll see if we can get those sausages back for next year!!)
Looking forward to the Aces day on Saturday and I understand they'll be at Donnyc's show on the 2nd August... They might start to think I'm stalking them, but they're well worth it.
Chaz hopes to get the photos to me by the weekend, so I'll post some next week. In the meantime, here's a couple that my friend took... (assuming I get it right)
Best Lurcher Puppy
Lurcher Ring
Terrier Judging
Cheers All
Lucy