Problem??

[lgray88 4]

you mean leave the gun 12month then sent another variation letting me shoot deer?

 

liam

[SportingShooter 0]

Yeah, Shoot a couple of hundred rounds through it first at seals and Zeroing etc, then send a variation for Deer.

You can then show you have some experience with a large calibre rifle.

 

SS

[lgray88 4]

thank you SS il give it ago and see how i get on! oh yeh any chance you could find out on the laws changing for seal shooting as i think they may be but i cant find anything on the net about it any help would be much appreciated

 

liam

[SportingShooter 0]

thank you SS il give it ago and see how i get on! oh yeh any chance you could find out on the laws changing for seal shooting as i think they may be but i cant find anything on the net about it any help would be much appreciated

 

liam

Try My best!

 

SS

[scotrat 2]

YOU MAY HAVE A WEE BIT OF A PROBLEM

8 March, 2007

 

THE SCOTTISH Executive has agreed to set up a steering group to look at changing the law on protecting the country's seal population.

 

Last week saw a rare meeting of the Scottish Seals Forum with representatives from fishing, aquaculture, scientific and animal welfare communities gathering to discuss the 1970 Conservation of Seals Act.

 

The Act was drawn up to protect Scotland's grey and common seals, who represent around 90 per cent of the UK population of both species.

 

Last year the Sea Mammal Research Unit discovered that common seal populations in Shetland and Orkney had fallen by an astonishing 40 per cent over the past decade.

 

Welfare groups, like Advocates for Animals (AA), believe the act is redundant. Last year the Sheriff of Arbroath said there was no case to answer in the trial of a fisherman who had shot a seal resting on sandbank a mile from the nearest fishing net.

 

Yesterday AA presented a paper to the forum drawn up by a coalition of 15 animal welfare groups calling for the existing law to be reviewed.

 

AA's Ross Minett said there had been huge changes since the law was passed, and the development of fish farming had made a crucial difference to the welfare of seals.

 

"In many areas of Scotland common seal populations are in serious decline, although the reasons for this are not known," Mr Minett said.

 

"Yet thousands of seals are thought to be routinely killed every year by members of the fishing, fish farming and salmon angling industries. Surprisingly, nobody actually knows how many seals of each species are killed, or where, when or why they are killed, as there is no requirement for records to be kept."

 

The fishing industry has always denied slaughtering seals, though last September police were called in to investigate the shooting of five seals, four of them pregnant, in a remote corner of Orkney.

 

In Shetland evidence has been found of seal traps around fish cages in the past two years, though no one has been prosecuted.

 

In Moray the river fishermen have put in place a management plan where they kill rogue seals, which even conservationists believe could be proving to be a success.

 

Alan Knight, of British Divers Marine Life Rescue, said: "The fishermen in Moray Firth seem to be identifying the seals which are a problem and taking them out and it seems to be working."

 

SEERAD has agreed to look further at proposals put forward by the animal welfare coalition, which include licensing guns used to shoot seals, defining where seals can be shot and making it a requirement to officially record each seal which is killed.

 

A SEERAD spokesman said the Scottish Seals Forum had "agreed to ask its working group, which is due to meet in May 2007, to consider in more detail what a possible review of the 1970 Act might involve and whether the production of interim guidance on some issues might be useful".

 

Libby Anderson, who co-authored the paper presented to the forum, said: "The Conservation of Seals Act 1970 is a relic of an era when attitudes to the killing of wild mammals were different, and much less was known about the population dynamics and global importance of seals in UK waters.

 

"The Act is seen as providing guidance on the killing of seals, rather than as legislation to promote their conservation.

 

"Seals in British waters are a very important asset to the growing wildlife tourism industry, and they need better legal protection.

 

"We believe that the time has come to replace an existing outdated and unenforceable law with more effective legislation that will deliver the desired conservation and animal welfare benefits. We hope that the Scottish Seals Forum will support our efforts for improved legislation that will effectively protect seals in Scottish waters."

 

Until 1998 there had been a steady increase and then levelling off of the common seal population, leading the government to lift the blanket ban on shooting seals in Shetland, which was introduced in 1973.

[scotrat 2]

Not that I am against shooting pest's I found that on a search of seal shooting in Shetland

[SportingShooter 0]

Slight Problem!

 

It may all come to nothing or it may have some serious implications but time is the only thing that can tell.

 

I would still put in for the variation and see what happens, all they can do is say No.

 

I will try and find out some more information.

 

Good Post that Scotrat, good info in there

 

SS

[scotrat 2]

Political climate in these issues will determine the outcome I am afraid which is a disgrace,too many tree huggers in government lol

[SportingShooter 0]

Unfortunately Yes, they will more than likely listen to the Animal Rights groups but then again, we won the SP over on the Snaring Ban, so who knows.

 

Time will tell.

 

SS

[rob reynolds uk 3]

13.10 The named land need not be owned or rented by the applicant, nor need they have regular or automatic access to it. Farmers and landowners may allow shooters to shoot on their land, for payment or otherwise, on a formal or informal basis. An applicant need not always nominate a piece of land as evidence of “good reason”, but in such cases the applicant may be required, where possible, to provide written evidence, for example from a relevant organisation, a professional pest controller or of a booking to shoot.

 

just tell them you will be buying the odd days here and there or get a letter off a mate saying that you will be invited on there land for a days stalking else were ...it all you need for a deer rifle ..iv just got my 25-06 very easy to get really ,infact id say it was not as hard to get as my foxing rifle

Edited June 11, 2008 by rob reynolds uk

[lgray88 4]

i just need to find a friend now who has deer on his land

 

liam