Nipper 0 Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 A big problem with the bull blood that was used in the plummer terrier outcross was that it was of unknown breeding. It was also only used because DBP wouldn't have to leave his armchair to look at it let alone take it to be mated..........! What a master plan...... Quote Link to post
Guest tim Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 (edited) A big problem with the bull blood that was used in the plummer terrier outcross was that it was of unknown breeding. It was also only used because DBP wouldn't have to leave his armchair to look at it let alone take it to be mated..........! What a master plan...... and what a silly quote, its quite obvious you are more at home talking the talk rather than doing anything. As a breeder, to be honest any bull terrier - within reason- would have done, it was the genes and soundness that Brian was after not a piece of paper, and anyway after whats been backdoored over the years and by people who should have known better, also mainly the ones that have done most of the shouting about the bull terrier that was introduced - a wee bitty of double standards there methinks, so, as a breeder, we have with the introduction of bull blood, 1- reduced faults ie perthes 2- removed the tricolour gene 3- got better colours 4 - got the size down and type back (major importance) 5- a natural balance ,so now we have all this we can get down to business of what excels at what, but in this political time our dogs are promoted as versatile, intelligent and adaptable - unlike people who suck lemons - time to get get real , up your game or get left further behind .................. almost 6mnths old and genuine 12" tall , measured stood on level ground not in a 2" dip like some folk do..................... :whistle: Edited January 8, 2006 by tim Quote Link to post
Guest ROOSTER Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 WHY do plummers alwasys end up hi-jacking the thread, most of the other breeds or strains have had bull added. Quote Link to post
Nipper 0 Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Nice one Tim "any bull terrier - within reason" about sums the job up. Bull blood , border blood , patterdale blood , beagle blood , Jack Russell blood ......Have I missed something out now?? ...... He could hijack just about any thread he choose's with that breed Rooster . How about some digging photos now Timmy , a nice little Plummer nose to nose with a red un'.Are they versatile, intelligent and adaptable enough for that?? .Nothing like some game protection control on a crisp winter's morning . LOL Quote Link to post
Guest tim Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 silly boy, we live on 65,000 acre and have permission on it all,and thats just one area we have, we dont have to go poaching or creeping about. our dogs work and are reared as a true pack - dogs- males usually- go into hunt service at some time in their lives. my dogs dont walk pavements, arent kept in a back yard - they do what comes naturally every day of their lives, so dont lecture or try to goad me into putting anything up on any forum, i know what they do and what they dont, but most of all i know they are a level bunch of well trained quality terriers that would grace anybody's kennels...plummers or not - get a life. I added to this thread thinking someone might just get some info - some tried and tested info about introducing bull blood into terriers, and I get the likes of you - typical eh Quote Link to post
Guest knocavoeboy Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 there are some good working plummer pics on some where at foxes. i never seen one in north of ireland. wonder are there any over here at all. Quote Link to post
lucky 578 Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 silly boy, we live on 65,000 acre and have permission on it all,and thats just one area we have, we dont have to go poaching or creeping about. our dogs work and are reared as a true pack - dogs- males usually- go into hunt service at some time in their lives. my dogs dont walk pavements, arent kept in a back yard - they do what comes naturally every day of their lives, so dont lecture or try to goad me into putting anything up on any forum, i know what they do and what they dont, but most of all i know they are a level bunch of well trained quality terriers that would grace anybody's kennels...plummers or not - get a life. I added to this thread thinking someone might just get some info - some tried and tested info about introducing bull blood into terriers, and I get the likes of you - typical eh not that i give a shit what terriers you keep, everyone to there own i say. i just thought i'd add my dogs "walk the pavement" (they need walking aswell as working) and they live in the back yard because i dont live on "65,000 acre of permission" but i permit myself to work them where and when ever i want which does mean "poaching" and "sneaking about"but work is what they do and plenty of it. it should'nt be a matter of where you keep em' more like how you keep em Quote Link to post
pickaxe 23 Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 lol lol lol here we go again lol lol lol Quote Link to post
Guest tim Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 (edited) Nice one Tim "any bull terrier - within reason" about sums the job up. Bull blood , border blood , patterdale blood , beagle blood , Jack Russell blood ......Have I missed something out now?? ...... He could hijack just about any thread he choose's with that breed Rooster . How about some digging photos now Timmy , a nice little Plummer nose to nose with a red un'.Are they versatile, intelligent and adaptable enough for that?? .Nothing like some game protection control on a crisp winter's morning . LOL Lets hope not pickaxe, anyway for all of you who are jumping in my last post was aimed at nipper - so I'll explain in simple terms so even he can understand why bull blood was added and not border, patterdale, jack russell or beagle beagle blood is hound blood , so is a definate no no,border, patterdale and jack russells, are composites - hence would have re intoduced and in some cases doubled up more common terrier problems - bull is the purest of the terrier lines, hence less faults, so bull was chosen to break the fault lines or at least get them under control, but the first cross was unstable - obviously!! as for plummers - to me they are just terriers. Edited January 9, 2006 by tim Quote Link to post
Guest HAWKEYE Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 SO WHAT QUARRY IS YOUR PACK RAN AT TIM ? RATS OR MICE? Quote Link to post
Guest tim Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 lol@ hawkeye -dont hold your breath for a rise, but if you are so interested come up and see, anyway I do believe I owe lucky an apology, on reflection the post read bad, so no hard feelings mate. After all its all down to personal choice, here is a picture of a second generation dog, he is under 14" has been in service 2yrs, has now come home, he was the half brother to the winner of the dog class at the midland(where he stood second) and the grandsire of the overall midland champion (plummer terrier classes) Quote Link to post
Guest grubygrafter Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 THIS POST WAS NOT POINTED AT ANY BREED IN PARTICULAR. it was just a general post on working terriers in general. i have no axe to grind with plummers borders or any other breed. and keeps your dogs are a credit to you. i would keep any breed that will do the job but i PREFARE russell types. i wouldnt hesitate to own a plummer but it would have to earn its keep. i have yet to see a plummer to ground so cant comment on that cs Quote Link to post
Nipper 0 Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Tim, your condescending posts shouts out everything that is wrong with plummer terriers.....their plummer owners. How many generations has the Legion prefix bred since it began? Who cares how lads come by their hunting as long as they are truthful about their dogs ability? I'd be interested to know how you get around 65,000 acres properly....must be more than some hunts permission put together. I've seen your dogs at various shows and they look like a good walk would give them some problems let alone a hunting outing. I'll duck out of this thread now as the same waffle is being meted as 'truth' and the real evidence is noted by its absence.... Quote Link to post
Guest knocavoeboy Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 this post should be sent to flame threads im fed up listening to this plummer arguement its polluting working teriers sub forum Quote Link to post
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