223 variation

[elvis 0]

ive had a 22 lr fimfire for seven years ,last 2 years on an open ticket, i need a 223 fox gun, would this also be on open ticket. i have 2 farms to use it on.

[Mr_Logic 5]

ive had a 22 lr fimfire for seven years ,last 2 years on an open ticket, i need a 223 fox gun, would this also be on open ticket. i have 2 farms to use it on.

And....?

 

You were going to get 243 before, what's changed you?

[elvis 0]

dont want that mentor lark 223 might be easier,

[SportingShooter 0]

dont want that mentor lark 223 might be easier,

I wouldnt be too sure on that one, a centrefire for fox is a centrefire for fox in most licensing depts eyes.

If it were a .243 or a .222, if you havnt used a centrefire before then they may still insist on mentoring.

However, seen as youve shot a rimfire for a good few years with no problems then they could let you have one without supervision, the best thing to do is ring your dept and see what they say, most are quite helpful it seems, they are there to give advice on these matters, and if they say you have to shoot with a mentor then just, go and Zero it with your mentor and have a few cracks with it, buy plenty of ammuniton and apply for the condition to be removed in six months time, thats what im doing, have fired around 120 rounds of .222 zeroing and crows etc, along with the odd fox, if you can shoot 120 rounds safely then they cant complain about you being unsafe, i may only fire 120 in the course of a normal year!

Hope this helps a little.

ss06

[Mr_Logic 5]

dont want that mentor lark 223 might be easier,

I wouldnt be too sure on that one, a centrefire for fox is a centrefire for fox in most licensing depts eyes.

If it were a .243 or a .222, if you havnt used a centrefire before then they may still insist on mentoring.

However, seen as youve shot a rimfire for a good few years with no problems then they could let you have one without supervision, the best thing to do is ring your dept and see what they say, most are quite helpful it seems, they are there to give advice on these matters, and if they say you have to shoot with a mentor then just, go and Zero it with your mentor and have a few cracks with it, buy plenty of ammuniton and apply for the condition to be removed in six months time, thats what im doing, have fired around 120 rounds of .222 zeroing and crows etc, along with the odd fox, if you can shoot 120 rounds safely then they cant complain about you being unsafe, i may only fire 120 in the course of a normal year!

Hope this helps a little.

ss06

Hmm... I would go with elvis tbh, not having a mentor is a much better plan. And it's pointless, if you are safe to shoot, you are safe to shoot. Can understand it with deer as there's a bit more to deer since you have a sensibly-sized, edible carcass when you're finished.

 

BUT, still apply for the 243. If the FEO says mentor when he comes round, ask him if he would grant a smaller calibre without. If he will, change it then, I don't recall a variation where what I put on the form was actually what I ended up with, just because of the rules, interpretations thereof, and the huge delays we face at the mo.

[elvis 0]

dont want that mentor lark 223 might be easier,

I wouldnt be too sure on that one, a centrefire for fox is a centrefire for fox in most licensing depts eyes.

If it were a .243 or a .222, if you havnt used a centrefire before then they may still insist on mentoring.

However, seen as youve shot a rimfire for a good few years with no problems then they could let you have one without supervision, the best thing to do is ring your dept and see what they say, most are quite helpful it seems, they are there to give advice on these matters, and if they say you have to shoot with a mentor then just, go and Zero it with your mentor and have a few cracks with it, buy plenty of ammuniton and apply for the condition to be removed in six months time, thats what im doing, have fired around 120 rounds of .222 zeroing and crows etc, along with the odd fox, if you can shoot 120 rounds safely then they cant complain about you being unsafe, i may only fire 120 in the course of a normal year!

Hope this helps a little.

ss06

thanks, plenty of good advice,

[SportingShooter 0]

I agree i dont like mentoring myself, id like right now to be out tonight on my own with my .222 chasing foxes but i cant, my mentor is away.

You hit the nail on the head, if youre a safe shot, your a safe shot, which is what i was trying to say.

So everytime you have had a variation you have ended up with something other than you originally intended? Right pain it seems.

ss06

[Mr_Logic 5]

The original 243 variation turned into 22-250 because I was to be mentored on 243 and didn't have a mentor.

 

Thereafter it's just fate - I put in for a quad, then two days later 223 and 243. Ended up with the quad, a new Hornet AND the 223 and 243.

[dickyboy 1]

the other way they restrict it is tie it to a piece of ground, i've an open ticket for 22, semi open for 222 as in i can use it on the estate my ticket is granted for but could not use it on other land i have permission for and 243 with a mentor on the estate, although i could use any of them anywhere with a mentor, they cocked up a bit but one law superceeds the other.......they may let you have 223 on the ground you apply for, but now you can shoot deer with a 223 then theres really not much difference between the 2 i'd stick to the 243 or both!

[SportingShooter 0]

the other way they restrict it is tie it to a piece of ground, i've an open ticket for 22, semi open for 222 as in i can use it on the estate my ticket is granted for but could not use it on other land i have permission for and 243 with a mentor on the estate, although i could use any of them anywhere with a mentor, they cocked up a bit but one law superceeds the other.......they may let you have 223 on the ground you apply for, but now you can shoot deer with a 223 then theres really not much difference between the 2 i'd stick to the 243 or both!

I agree go for both get as much out of one variation as possible.Nice to see another .222 shooter dicky. ive just had mine along with my 17HMR so when i renew i should have open on both, i have mentoring on the .222 for a few months though.

thanks

ss06