QUESTION

[Deker 3,491]

Are you guys 'avin a larf!

 

100% best shot to stop a bunny in its tracks is straight through the side, heart and lungs, is will simply drop dead on the spot, even with a 12ft lb air rifle. Most FAC rated will go straight through as well when doing this.

 

Smack it in the head and the thing will often leap 3 feet in the air and still be bouncing around by the time you get to him! (even though he is dead).

 

General rule of course, there are always exceptions, both shots will kill, but cut off the circulation and you will kill quicker than cutting off the brainpower of a rabbit.

 

Deker

 

 

THANKS DEKER SEEMS ONLY YOU DITCH AND KREET UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION...

 

I agree that a good shot to both areas would kill a rabbit. It is not just about amount of energy in the shot but the amount of energy that can be released by the projectile in to the target that causes tissue damage.

 

As to the comment made above

"but cut off the circulation and you will kill quicker than cutting off the brainpower of a rabbit". I would have to say that this is not correct. By stopping the circulation of a rabbit/human you are preventing brain perfusion and this will cause it to become hypoxic and loss of consciousness is inevitable. Even though quick this can take a number of seconds.

 

By causing massive bleeding (e.g internal) the patient/TGT becomes hypovolemic (low-volume) and again can not perfuse the brain to a good enough level so gain unconsiousness will occur. This type of injury will take longer for the patient/TGT to die.

 

Pentrating injuries to the Modular Oblongartor (Brain Stem) will cause instent death and inability to transfer messages through the nervous system.

 

In simple terms if a person was to hold another person hostage the police would try and place a shot in the head so as to insure immediate unconsciousness to try and secure the victim. Not, shot the baddy in the heart to stop the brain perfusing to wait for unconsciousness for the hostage to hopefully still be alive and be rescued.

 

Remember we are talking about low velocity ammo here. If we start talking about high velocity stuff thats a hole differant kettle of fish.

 

I hope this helps you alittle,

 

Wishing you all the best,

 

Nik

 

NIK

 

F*****g Hell!!! I'm impressed...BUT BUT BUT...there are a few buts. My comments about a rabbits brainpower were meant to be a light comment...and yes we are talking low velocity and light projectile weight...but we are also talking bunnies NOT people. My experience (on bunnies) has shown me time and time again that the perfect heart lung shot (with an air rifle) will stop a bunny in its tracks and it will simply roll over dead and motionless. Head shots are also extremely effective at killing but the bunny will, as I have said often leap 3 feet in the air and still be kicking and twitching by the time you get to him. I have shot bunnies and removed half their heads and the bulk of their brains and they have still been twitcing something chronic for a good few seconds....I accept totally they are "dead" but I don't quite understand how you equate that with your comment Pentrating injuries to the Modular Oblongartor (Brain Stem) will cause instent death and inability to transfer messages through the nervous system. My interpretation of death here, is cesation of movement.....that may well not be the scientific definition. But it does go down a lot better with most people who struggle to accept it is dead when you carry it up to the farm without half a head but still kicking!

 

Imparting energy...this particular thread is in the Airguns -- mine is 26ft lb and FAC rated...I use Air Arms Field at 16.4g and Bisley Magnum at 21.4g, both of these are heavyish and both are domed..the point being to impart as much energy as possible into the quarry, and they both travel a lot faster than a conventional 12ft lb air rifle so with the weight and speed the shock wave damage also increases. They do still go right through on a number of occassions though wasting energy.

 

The same is true for the rimfire but with speed and weight increasing even more, you can be confident that just about everything goes clean through, but the shock causes much greater tissue damage in the process.

 

Shock wave damage on a rabbit from a centrefire has to be seen to be believed ...the bullet always goes clean through (and usually ends up in the next county) (another light comment) and the bunny is often turned straight into stew, trouble is you have to hunt around for it all! When causing this much tissue disruption, death is absolutely instant (no twitching).

 

This bit.....

 

In simple terms if a person was to hold another person hostage the police would try and place a shot in the head so as to insure immediate unconsciousness to try and secure the victim. Not, shot the baddy in the heart to stop the brain perfusing to wait for unconsciousness for the hostage to hopefully still be alive and be rescued.. .....the Police use centrefires with tremendous energy not air rifles..the effect on the human boby is dramatically different. On head shots the target area is a notional band running right round the head at eye level...that is the ideal, but the truth is the police aim for the torso/heart on the whole because it should do the job. There are no basic firearms officers capable of this type of head shot (and few cars carry the appropriate tools to do the job either)....these type of shots are left to a very, very small number of very well trained specialist officers and only ever happen on VERY rare occassions.

 

I'm still fascinated here Nik...have you just swallowed some medical book or do you deal with ballistic trauma or..or..or..what?????

 

Cheers

Deker

Edited November 30, 2007 by Deker

[Deker 3,491]

Pentrating injuries to the Modular Oblongartor (Brain Stem) will cause instent death and inability to transfer messages through the nervous system.

 

 

Spoken by a man who Truly knows his shit!

 

Only, Nik; Don't ye think, " Try to hit that sukka in the lower back of the skull " might be more comprehensible to some of these lads?

 

 

To be honest when they have their arse to you that is a great shot to take...just wait till the head goes up a bit and bang, very effective!

 

DS

What do you know about fox callers, I need some help...thread on.... Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns!

 

Cheers

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

DS

What do you know about fox callers, I need some help...thread on.... Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns!

 

 

Eh?!? Sorry, mate. What I know about Fox Callers could be written on the tip of a ball point pen! I'm not 'The Oracle'. Just a bloke. I'm sure some of the guys here who've lost count of the foxes they've called can offer some opinions? If not, a Search is sure to throw up loads of previous discussion of the subject.

 

Sorry I can't be of more help. But I know my limitations and don't bullshit!

[Guest Rabbiteer]

Are you guys 'avin a larf!

 

100% best shot to stop a bunny in its tracks is straight through the side, heart and lungs, is will simply drop dead on the spot, even with a 12ft lb air rifle. Most FAC rated will go straight through as well when doing this.

 

Smack it in the head and the thing will often leap 3 feet in the air and still be bouncing around by the time you get to him! (even though he is dead).

 

General rule of course, there are always exceptions, both shots will kill, but cut off the circulation and you will kill quicker than cutting off the brainpower of a rabbit.

 

Deker

 

 

THANKS DEKER SEEMS ONLY YOU DITCH AND KREET UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION...

 

I agree that a good shot to both areas would kill a rabbit. It is not just about amount of energy in the shot but the amount of energy that can be released by the projectile in to the target that causes tissue damage.

 

As to the comment made above

"but cut off the circulation and you will kill quicker than cutting off the brainpower of a rabbit". I would have to say that this is not correct. By stopping the circulation of a rabbit/human you are preventing brain perfusion and this will cause it to become hypoxic and loss of consciousness is inevitable. Even though quick this can take a number of seconds.

 

By causing massive bleeding (e.g internal) the patient/TGT becomes hypovolemic (low-volume) and again can not perfuse the brain to a good enough level so gain unconsiousness will occur. This type of injury will take longer for the patient/TGT to die.

 

Pentrating injuries to the Modular Oblongartor (Brain Stem) will cause instent death and inability to transfer messages through the nervous system.

 

In simple terms if a person was to hold another person hostage the police would try and place a shot in the head so as to insure immediate unconsciousness to try and secure the victim. Not, shot the baddy in the heart to stop the brain perfusing to wait for unconsciousness for the hostage to hopefully still be alive and be rescued.

 

Remember we are talking about low velocity ammo here. If we start talking about high velocity stuff thats a hole differant kettle of fish.

 

I hope this helps you alittle,

 

Wishing you all the best,

 

Nik

 

NIK

 

F*****g Hell!!! I'm impressed...BUT BUT BUT...there are a few buts. My comments about a rabbits brainpower were meant to be a light comment...and yes we are talking low velocity and light projectile weight...but we are also talking bunnies NOT people. My experience (on bunnies) has shown me time and time again that the perfect heart lung shot (with an air rifle) will stop a bunny in its tracks and it will simply roll over dead and motionless. Head shots are also extremely effective at killing but the bunny will, as I have said often leap 3 feet in the air and still be kicking and twitching by the time you get to him. I have shot bunnies and removed half their heads and the bulk of their brains and they have still been twitcing something chronic for a good few seconds....I accept totally they are "dead" but I don't quite understand how you equate that with your comment Pentrating injuries to the Modular Oblongartor (Brain Stem) will cause instent death and inability to transfer messages through the nervous system. My interpretation of death here, is cesation of movement.....that may well not be the scientific definition. But it does go down a lot better with most people who struggle to accept it is dead when you carry it up to the farm without half a head but still kicking!

 

Imparting energy...this particular thread is in the Airguns -- mine is 26ft lb and FAC rated...I use Air Arms Field at 16.4g and Bisley Magnum at 21.4g, both of these are heavyish and both are domed..the point being to impart as much energy as possible into the quarry, and they both travel a lot faster than a conventional 12ft lb air rifle so with the weight and speed the shock wave damage also increases. They do still go right through on a number of occassions though wasting energy.

 

The same is true for the rimfire but with speed and weight increasing even more, you can be confident that just about everything goes clean through, but the shock causes much greater tissue damage in the process.

 

Shock wave damage on a rabbit from a centrefire has to be seen to be believed ...the bullet always goes clean through (and usually ends up in the next county) (another light comment) and the bunny is often turned straight into stew, trouble is you have to hunt around for it all! When causing this much tissue disruption, death is absolutely instant (no twitching).

 

This bit.....

 

In simple terms if a person was to hold another person hostage the police would try and place a shot in the head so as to insure immediate unconsciousness to try and secure the victim. Not, shot the baddy in the heart to stop the brain perfusing to wait for unconsciousness for the hostage to hopefully still be alive and be rescued.. .....the Police use centrefires with tremendous energy not air rifles..the effect on the human boby is dramatically different. On head shots the target area is a notional band running right round the head at eye level...that is the ideal, but the truth is the police aim for the torso/heart on the whole because it should do the job. There are no basic firearms officers capable of this type of head shot (and few cars carry the appropriate tools to do the job either)....these type of shots are left to a very, very small number of very well trained specialist officers and only ever happen on VERY rare occassions.

 

I'm still fascinated here Nik...have you just swallowed some medical book or do you deal with ballistic trauma or..or..or..what?????

 

Cheers

Deker

 

 

I was in the St Johns Ambulance for 6 months when I was a Kid............

[woodchip 2]

so it seems the conclution is that yes a heart shot is possible as a kill shot on a bunnie .

But i like most airgunners go for head shots.

 

THANKS LADS

Edited December 1, 2007 by woodchip

[Deker 3,491]

so it seems the conclution is that yes a heart shot is possible as a kill shot on a bunnie .

But i like most airgunners go for head shots.

 

THANKS LADS

 

 

I think we have just about done this to "death" but rest assured a heart shot is more than capable of killing a bunny with a 12 ft lb air rifle. With the right pellet and at the right distance, and if you miss all the ribs you may well find the pellet goes right through, coming to resting just under the skin the opposite side of the bunny. With this type of tool that is about the best shot you can make and imparts every bit of energy into the quarry! It's happened to me twice (you remember these things), you pick the bunny up and you can feel the pellet just under the skin!

 

Cheers

Deker

[woodchip 2]

ok i think i understand

[bill88 6]

Can't believe what i'm reading! If your using a sub 12ftlb rifle then it should be HEAD SHOT ONLY!

[Guest Rabbiteer]

Have to say sorry guys.

 

I have just read my first responce and the grammer and spelling is awful.

 

You see I suffer from Computer Generated Dyslexia (CGD) when im tired, and when I typed it I had been kinda busy with stuff and things out here.

 

I still agree that Non-FAC rated air rifles should be head shots only, with the POA being behind the eye and below the ear.

 

We all have our differant methods of doing things and differant things to do it with so I guess its up to you and your friend to argue now Woodchip.

 

I wish you a happy and safe conculsion,

 

Good hunting,

 

Nik