SACS

[Guest oldskool]

A lad called ian clarke kindly posted this on the smoochers and i thought it would be a good idea to put it on here too so lads would know the crack about hares if they didnt know before! i dont think he will mind!

 

 

Hi Guys

 

SACS has thousands of members in NI, and I've been involved with some of the stuff on brown hares there.

 

You have a woman Minister responsible for the environment there - I won't mention her name, but it seems that she is kinda anti fieldsports, to put it mildly.

 

A temporary ban on killing your brown hares was sneaked through a couple of years ago - it's a one-year ban, and needs to be renewed annually by the NIO. SACS is working in the background trying to get this nonsense sorted out for you.

 

There are two things you might want to know - firstly, the RSPB is hell-bent on re-introducing eagles in NI. What do eagles eat? Correct - hares. Who dictates policy to your Environment and Heritage Service? The RSPB? I couldn't possibly comment!

 

Secondly, the lad who is your Wildlife Officer in the EHS is John Milburn - he is a great lad, very sensible and practical, and not in the least biased against us.

 

He told me about a study on hares there, where the numbers were monitored in certain areas for a few years, both before and after this temporary ban. The hare population has remained low but stable both before and after the ban, except for one year.

 

That year, there was a VERY long wet spring, and the silage couldn't be cut until much later in the year than normal. That year, the hare population increased TENFOLD!

 

So, the evidence would suggest that shooting and coursing has bugger-all effect on the hare population, but the modern way of farming kills most of the leverets by chopping them with the silage.

 

I'm trying to get a scheme approved by the Ministry which would pay farmers not to cut any crops until the leverets are old enough to escape from the cutters, and any help would be welcome.

 

Hope this helps - if there's anything else I can do, just get in touch.

 

Ian Clark, Scottish Association for Country Sports

[Ricky-N.p.p 0]

sing me up for some of that sh!t

 

I'm already a member of sacs but is there anything else that i could do to help ??

[Guest oldskool]

hes on the smoochers now taking requests :11:

[Guest ADAM AND HIS DOGS]

angela smith? former big wig in the LACS. Then minister and hare coursing gets the ban. the study was carried out by queens university and found this info out years ago.

[Guest mush]

That year, there was a VERY long wet spring, and the silage couldn't be cut until much later in the year than normal. That year, the hare population increased TENFOLD!

 

So, the evidence would suggest that shooting and coursing has bugger-all effect on the hare population, but the modern way of farming kills most of the leverets by chopping them with the silage.

 

I'm trying to get a scheme approved by the Ministry which would pay farmers not to cut any crops until the leverets are old enough to escape from the cutters, and any help would be welcome.

 

Hope this helps - if there's anything else I can do, just get in touch.

 

Ian Clark, Scottish Association for Country Sports

In the south west( England ) there has never been loads of hares, but in some areas they did well. I've been out with the local coursing club ( now gone ) and put up thirty hares, now in the same areas there are none .I have always thought the decline of the hares around here was to do with silage cutting, as they started disappearing very fast at the same time that a lot of the farmer started cutting silage for the first time. On top of the silage cutting you had the lampers( I don't mean every lamper just the dick heads ) who couldn't leave a few hares to breed for the next year, but had to kill every hare they could.

[Guest ADAM AND HIS DOGS]

in the part of the north where i am from i would have to admit there is a very neagitve sub culture of summer hunting which must also have an impact. 15 years ago there were still alot of hares around the townland but the lurcher became everr popular and the hares were decimated, a great deal in summer in the lamp. there are now few that run hares but they have not recovered to what they were. id attribute this to the findings already stated around changes in farming methods and machinery but also the massive resurgence of Buzzards. i seen a hare in the lamp last night. we just swithced the lamp off and carried on for the few rabbits we were out for. maybe some morning at dawn the end of november my bitch might acccidnetally run one on the same spot.

Edited August 11, 2006 by ADAM AND HIS DOGS

[Guest oldskool]

i was driving to a mates house yesterday and in the space of 5 miles i think i counted about 6 buzzards. i dont know much about them but they look like they could eat a horse ! most farmers do 3 cuts of silage which means the first is cut fairly early in the year. our farm used to do the same but the past few years we changed it to 2 big cuts instead. not only did we get the same results as 3 smaller cuts but it was cheaper and less hassle was involved in getting a contractor in. i noticed a rise in hares during that time because i think the first cut didnt take place till late on, giving the leverets a better chance. we are growing maise now so the hares have gone because the ground is ploughed pretty much all the time, a few of the neighbouring farms have started maise too.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Silage was cut here, if I remember rightly (?) about the first of July. I was up my track yesterday evening and stopped to watch a hare on the fields here Little buggers are everywhere.

 

 

 

Oh, PS. I shouldn't worry about the Buzzards, mate. Their job in life is cleaning up what the discs cut to pieces They're a carrion picker. Not built for flashing down on live things

[Guest oldskool]

i heard they were a bit of a scavanger too but i think pleople use them for hunting so they must be able to make a kill???

[Guest JOEB]

angela smith? former big wig in the LACS. Then minister and hare coursing gets the ban. the study was carried out by queens university and found this info out years ago.

 

That self righteous bitch is my local MP ........she came up to me at the church fate the other year, so I says...are you Angela Smith?...........she says ...Yes (with a big smile)..........Well feck off says I .....that wiped the smile off her ugly fecking mug

Its the little victorys that make life worth living :thumbs-up:

JOEB

[Guest ADAM AND HIS DOGS]

i have been watching buzzards round home for years. and i know they are carrion pickers alos seen them lft rabbits and a large cock pheasant that chose to be a runner not a flyer. i would say a leveret would not be any trouble either. i still like to see them would not want to see them persecuted.

 

Silage was cut here, if I remember rightly (?) about the first of July. I was up my track yesterday evening and stopped to watch a hare on the fields here Little buggers are everywhere.

 

 

 

Oh, PS. I shouldn't worry about the Buzzards, mate. Their job in life is cleaning up what the discs cut to pieces They're a carrion picker. Not built for flashing down on live things

 

 

angela smith? former big wig in the LACS. Then minister and hare coursing gets the ban. the study was carried out by queens university and found this info out years ago.

 

That self righteous bitch is my local MP ........she came up to me at the church fate the other year, so I says...are you Angela Smith?...........she says ...Yes (with a big smile)..........Well feck off says I .....that wiped the smile off her ugly fecking mug

Its the little victorys that make life worth living :thumbs-up:

JOEB

recently had a few pups to raise and had a lot of old newspapers off the news agent. angela smith was on the front cover so the pups had a good start in life shitting a pissing over her face in the litter tray.

Edited August 11, 2006 by ADAM AND HIS DOGS

[dickyboy 1]

it is said that buzzards are only carrion eaters and thats what the RSPB say to stop keepers persecuting them but the people who work in that environment see things others don't.....i have seen a buzzard take a full grown cock pheasant...tried to film it on my phone but was shit(i also saw a carrion crow take a healthy full grown dove off the side of the cott like a bird of prey with a wrestler style bodyslam lol but thats by the by)

There are now more buzzards than kestrels and kestrels are at saturation point. which says there are a shit load of buzzards.

 

So if hare are the only food source in an area and there are alot of buzzards then they will take leverets by a large number!!!