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  3. Abbeyfeale Harriers Annual Hunting Festival

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    Abbeyfeale Harriers

    Annual

    Hunting Festival

    2016 MEET CARD

    Sunday 14th February – The Strand Bar, Strand, Co. Limerick

    The South Tipperary Harriers

     

    Monday 15th February – Walsh’s Bar, Knocknagoshel, Co. Kerry

    The MacroomFoxhounds

    Tuesday 16th February – Lyons’s Bar, Scartaglin, Co. Kerry

    The Stonehall Harriers &TheDesmond Foxhounds

    Memorial Meet for John O’Connor

     

    Wednesday 17th February –Cryle View Bar, Abbeyfeale, Co Limerick

    The Carraigshane Harriers

     

    Thursday 18th February – The Goalpost Bar, Tournafulla, Co. Limerick

    The Rooves Bridge Harriers &TheRockfield Harriers

     

    Friday 19th February – DP Lyons Bar, Abbeyfeale, Co. Limerick

    The SliabhLuachra Harriers, TheKilltevan Harriers &The Minerock Harriers

    Memorial Meet for Jackie O’Grady

    ALL MEETS AT 11.00 a.m.

    Food kindly sponsored by publicans

    Hunting is on foot and the quarry is fox – Cap €10.00 per meet

    PLEASE SHOW RESPECT TO LANDOWNERS AND THEIR PROPERTY AT ALL TIMES

    Enquiries: Doug McGuinness(Hon. Sec. Abbeyfeale Harriers)087 6829044 or Paddy O’Grady 087 6258933

    Supported Charity – The Irish Cancer Society

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  4. Astro 320 ,, Any About

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    In our country Old dog we cross a lot of roads they are handy to get a car there to see the pack across safely.thanks for the pup she is a nice bitch .Oliver said he will pick his up at the festival lol.I will send you over a harrier pup next summer

  7. How Many Off Yous Hunt Black And Tans ??

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    It depends on which breed of hound you are talking about, most harrier men would not let any scarteen breeding into their kennels. The scarteen use alot off kerry breeding using only black and tan harriers, which made them a very good pack. But then it is said that they used a black and tan coon hound for colour and ruined any breeding it was used on. The kerry harrier are a top class hound which comes in all colours including black and tan and tongue that is second to none. Some have double tongue and some of the more older lines have treble tongue.

     

    Forgive my ignorance, but what are double and treble tongue?

     

    Hi Krawnden, double tongue is when a hound is giving tongue, usually real heavy deep tongue, and it changes to a different note in the one breath. It is the same for a hound with treble tongue. These kerry hounds don't be used in gun packs, as it is not a test for the hound. These hounds often would be hunting three days back to back in the high mountains. That is a good a test you will get on any hound. I am lucky enough to have some pups coming from these packs this month. It will be a nice addition to my own pack.

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  8. How Many Off Yous Hunt Black And Tans ??

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    It depends on which breed of hound you are talking about, most harrier men would not let any scarteen breeding into their kennels. The scarteen use alot off kerry breeding using only black and tan harriers, which made them a very good pack. But then it is said that they used a black and tan coon hound for colour and ruined any breeding it was used on. The kerry harrier are a top class hound which comes in all colours including black and tan and tongue that is second to none. Some have double tongue and some of the more older lines have treble tongue.

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  21. Irish Game & Country Fair Birr 25th & 26th August

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    Posted · Edited by madrarua

    If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why? :hmm:

     

    Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

    In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!

     

    Of course it is not why the Jack Russell got Champion and of course everyone had a fair chance. You could argue if the JRs could only qualify in big classes whereas someone could qualify in a class of two or three - it was unfair to the Jack Russells. As I explained it is quite common at KC shows to give the specialist judge extra classes and competitors there don't complain - it is just that if someone is a specialist they are likely to draw a bigger entry. Most shows in NI are not run with split classes but with similar classes to our shows.

     

    Now some facts : 1. It is a fact that we put more back into the prize funds of our shows than probably any organisers of events in the UK or Ireland. 2. The organising clubs take all of the proceeds and we encourage them to make a substantial donation to a charity. 3 On a personal basis Irene and I support a whole range of charity shows and events of all kinds and we also help the chairty shows and others by giving them qualifiers for our prestige events - in fact I cannot think of anyone who approached us for sponsorship for a charity event or show that was refused assistance. 4. it costs a great deal of money to bring a judge across and they give of their time - a little courtesy of trying to attract a good entry for them is appreciated by anyone who is judging. 5. We give the paying public excellent value at our events in terms of excellent prize funds, good facilities, good judges, good entertainment, a great range of exhibitors and value for money discounts. 6. As I said we are looking at splitting classes when the classes justify a split - we will look at this after we see the entry at BIrr.

    And here is a fact for you , these are not KC shows , these are working shows and all dogs are judged on their wortking ability.

     

    Sorry NOT a fact - the dogs are not judged on their working ability they are judged on their looks, conformation, condition etc. You cannot judge a dog's working ability by looking at it or handling it. In fact the dogs are judged much as they would be at a KC show.

    I disagree with you on this matter, you judge them on whether they are fit for purpose or not. A terrier must be able to fit up to a fox within reason. If what you say about KC shows being similar maybe the I.W.T.F would not have much interest in being at your show in the future. It looks like you might be looking for a qualifier for kruffs at birr. This is nothing personal i'm just a working terrier man and want fair play for all working dogs.

    Again you appear to wish to find something to criticise - KC judges are also supposed to judge for 'fit for purpose' a fairly elusive and highly subjective. Obviously things such as size are part of conformation.

     

    You started off this line of discussion asking why we split dog & bitches in the Jack Russell classes at Shanes. I gave you an answer and stated that IF ENTRIES JUSTIFIED IT WE WOULD LOOK AT SPLITTING SEXES FOR CLASSES AGAIN AFTER BIRR .

     

    It appears that what you really wanted to do was to find something to criticise about our event at Birr as you have now proferred advice on how our judges should judge; on how to run our shows and treat our customers, how dogs should be judged at shows for their working ability and finally giving advice to the IWTF. Although we are the most experienced game fair organisers in the world - 50 fairs over 34 years and have been running terrier shows for longer than most clubs in Ireland, we do take cognisance of suggestions on how to improve any facet of our events.

     

    But we have been running working terrier & lurcher shows for 32 years and we pick judges who we think have displayed competence and know what they are doing AND we welcome the formation of the IWTF and welcome their presence at our events. I should like to know of what basis of experience that you consider yourself competent to offer advice on this whole range of issues including telling the IWTF what they should and shouldn't do.

     

    I'm not criticising your gamefairs theres nothing wrong with them, the problem i had is with the classes for dogs and bitches as you already know. I do support a lot of dogshows up and down the country and have traveled many times to englad and wales to gamefairs , and i also have judged in and out of the country so i to do know something about it aswell. In reference to the I.W.T.F i am fully behind it. Its just when u mentioned KC and the I.W.T.F i don't see them as compatable in my opinion, but if someone wants to keep KC dogs that is their buisness. I still think gamefairs as big as your one should be able to accomodate dogs and bitches as they do in england and wales.

  23. Irish Game & Country Fair Birr 25th & 26th August

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    If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why? :hmm:

     

    Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

    In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!

     

    Of course it is not why the Jack Russell got Champion and of course everyone had a fair chance. You could argue if the JRs could only qualify in big classes whereas someone could qualify in a class of two or three - it was unfair to the Jack Russells. As I explained it is quite common at KC shows to give the specialist judge extra classes and competitors there don't complain - it is just that if someone is a specialist they are likely to draw a bigger entry. Most shows in NI are not run with split classes but with similar classes to our shows.

     

    Now some facts : 1. It is a fact that we put more back into the prize funds of our shows than probably any organisers of events in the UK or Ireland. 2. The organising clubs take all of the proceeds and we encourage them to make a substantial donation to a charity. 3 On a personal basis Irene and I support a whole range of charity shows and events of all kinds and we also help the chairty shows and others by giving them qualifiers for our prestige events - in fact I cannot think of anyone who approached us for sponsorship for a charity event or show that was refused assistance. 4. it costs a great deal of money to bring a judge across and they give of their time - a little courtesy of trying to attract a good entry for them is appreciated by anyone who is judging. 5. We give the paying public excellent value at our events in terms of excellent prize funds, good facilities, good judges, good entertainment, a great range of exhibitors and value for money discounts. 6. As I said we are looking at splitting classes when the classes justify a split - we will look at this after we see the entry at BIrr.

    And here is a fact for you , these are not KC shows , these are working shows and all dogs are judged on their wortking ability.

     

    Sorry NOT a fact - the dogs are not judged on their working ability they are judged on their looks, conformation, condition etc. You cannot judge a dog's working ability by looking at it or handling it. In fact the dogs are judged much as they would be at a KC show.

    I disagree with you on this matter, you judge them on whether they are fit for purpose or not. A terrier must be able to fit up to a fox within reason. If what you say about KC shows being similar maybe the I.W.T.F would not have much interest in being at your show in the future. It looks like you might be looking for a qualifier for kruffs at birr. This is nothing personal i'm just a working terrier man and want fair play for all working dogs.
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  24. Irish Game & Country Fair Birr 25th & 26th August

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    If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why? :hmm:

     

    Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

    In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!

     

    Of course it is not why the Jack Russell got Champion and of course everyone had a fair chance. You could argue if the JRs could only qualify in big classes whereas someone could qualify in a class of two or three - it was unfair to the Jack Russells. As I explained it is quite common at KC shows to give the specialist judge extra classes and competitors there don't complain - it is just that if someone is a specialist they are likely to draw a bigger entry. Most shows in NI are not run with split classes but with similar classes to our shows.

     

    Now some facts : 1. It is a fact that we put more back into the prize funds of our shows than probably any organisers of events in the UK or Ireland. 2. The organising clubs take all of the proceeds and we encourage them to make a substantial donation to a charity. 3 On a personal basis Irene and I support a whole range of charity shows and events of all kinds and we also help the chairty shows and others by giving them qualifiers for our prestige events - in fact I cannot think of anyone who approached us for sponsorship for a charity event or show that was refused assistance. 4. it costs a great deal of money to bring a judge across and they give of their time - a little courtesy of trying to attract a good entry for them is appreciated by anyone who is judging. 5. We give the paying public excellent value at our events in terms of excellent prize funds, good facilities, good judges, good entertainment, a great range of exhibitors and value for money discounts. 6. As I said we are looking at splitting classes when the classes justify a split - we will look at this after we see the entry at BIrr.

    And here is a fact for you , these are not KC shows , these are working shows and all dogs are judged on their wortking ability.
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  25. Irish Game & Country Fair Birr 25th & 26th August

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    If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why? :hmm:

     

    Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

    In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!
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