your 100%right i go to england every year and to see a real good coarse and to put your dogs to the test its the place to be,but dont get me wrong ya still get good running here in Ireland iv seen dogs deck plenty in ireland and take them to england and still deck plenty but for england ya do need the lung if ya havent got the lung forget about it,if your dog dosnt get a quick kill itll get straight lined,,now the reason why sometimes the eng hare pipes is when it is under extrime presure [the only escape route]the irish hare has a lot of diffrent escape routes thats why ya rearly see them pip