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  1. the flump
    child has the potential capability to vote and is afforded all other human right's,because they are...you guessed it, human. could you suggest how i prove im not an animal right's extremist? because i wouldnt meet anyone i met online and i can't send picture's (not that im sure what either of those would prove) ive met one lad off here who sold me a terrier pup which didnt work out and i gave back to him,but he couldnt testify to me not being an anti because i barely know him. can you prove you arent an anti? pictures=fake people you met online=other anti's etc etc in answ
  2. the flump
    you find animal 'abuse' disgusting,i find gay people disgusting ,some find having kid's out of marriage disgusting,i could go on should we ban all of these?
  3. the flump
    regardless of if it feel's emotion's or not it is property,because for now it has no right's it cannot vote etc if and when they do gain right's you will no longer be able to 'imprison' the animal's who live with you and certainly won't be able to kill and eat them. if you feel strongly on the subject research it.
  4. the flump
    ok why dont i have the right to do with my property as i see fit (in 1 sentence please) and how am i an animal right's activist's dream? by trying to spread the idea that animal right's (and welfare legislation) infringe human right's? i have the capability to understand your emotion based argument,you cannot understand my logic based one.
  5. the flump
    so i can safely say you do not believe you should be able to treat your property as you see fit, and that we should have the moral's of the government of the time imprinted onto our human right's. thanks for clarifying.
  6. the flump
    i agree with your last line scothunter,but different people have different moral's,can you agree with that? And as long as it doesnt affect people or infringe on our right's we should be able to live,think ,act and treat our property as we see fit. now i wouldnt see it as acceptable to treat my property like that,but that's my prerogative,i also personally find gay people disgusting but i would never try to legislate on how they act/think/feel etc do you genuinely not understand my point?
  7. the flump
    if you truly understand the concept of animal rights and what that would entail and the effect it would have on human right's yet still support it you are imo a deluded freedon hating individual. I have my own morality/opinion's they may not be the same as your's,however, i unlike you would not try to legislate my own moral's/opinion,especially when it concern's PROPERTY.
  8. the flump
    respect's definition is a matter of opinion, im talking about keeping moral attitudes concerning how you treat property down to the individual,not telling people how to think,feel etc. then the animal right's activist's wouldnt have any room to push through hunting legislation,or be able to harass innocent people like they do.
  9. the flump
    don't worry though danw there's no need to think for yourself,im sure the government will look after you
  10. the flump
    i believe a man was recently questioned by the rspca in a police station while a police officer quietly over seen the interview. you dont think they are gaining in power then? and if animal right's take a hold do you not think they will continue to gain yet more power?
  11. the flump
    I know an animal doesnt think like us,so what you are saying is we should give animals right's and then pander to them and serve them because they cannot comprehend that they must be responsible for the freedom you want to give them? so we should serve and have less right's than animals?
  12. the flump
    an animal cannot have right's because it cannot be responsible for the freedom's those right's permit.
  13. the flump
    im not doing any study lol im just blessed to be able to understand and even accept another's argument, unlike many on this thread. i believe that we have to now choose whether animals will have right's or be property. if you disagree that animals are property and should as sentient being's have right's, i'd respect that argument. animal right's activist's are making big step's through animal welfare legislation,soon there will be compulsory inspection's needed from political animal right's organization's (R.S.P.C.A,PETA,LAC's etc etc) to own animal's and i believe eventually this will l
  14. the flump
    again scothunter, it doesnt have the RIGHT to live thats a fact as it can legally be euthanized. i never said it didnt deserve to as thats down to an individual opinion.
  15. the flump
    not interested in getting into a slanging match with anyone here's another link against animal right's (which animal welfare legislation leads to) http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/machan/machan43.html and here's the alternative http://www.theecologist.org/how_to_make_a_difference/wildlife/360285/enshrining_legal_rights_for_the_planet.html i'd also like to say imo ive never caused any animal to suffer as I find it morally wrong but thats just me,some believe it's morally wrong to have children out of marriage, again moral's can not and should not be legislated. form an
  16. the flump
    i didnt say that cat didnt deserve to live but it doesnt have the right to as a human does, animals cannot have rights and animal welfare legislation is the first step towards achieving animal right's anyway as i said do some research, here's a link to set you off http://jealousattention.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-animals-dont-have-rights.html
  17. the flump
    well keep moving in the direction of giving animals rights and soon they'll have them,i suggest you research what that would mean to you.
  18. the flump
    i couldnt watch all of that video and found the little i did disgusting,but at the end of the day those pup's were just property,we should have the right to do with our property as we like. i should be able to buy a bugatti veyron and smash it up with a hammer if i choose to,my property my choice,a bad choice but shouldn't be an illegal one.
  19. the flump
    very distasteful imo but if they were her property she should be allowed to do as she wishes. you can't legislate moral's
  20. the flump
    its just an animal it has no right to live,in fact it has no rights what so ever. that woman should be charged with attempting to destroy someone elses property at very worst (although it was the owners fault for leaving it roaming uncontrolled)
  21. the flump
    so a pet/show dog then? not a worker.
  22. the flump
    what can these dogs do that a mongrel can't? what work where they bred for?
  23. the flump
    he's kenneled with 2 others but theyre crated of a night and seperated of a day except for walks thanks a lot romany,i really appreciate your help, i'll probably pm you in a week or so
  24. the flump
    yes everything doors skirting boards etc ,he lived in as a pup until he figured out how to open the cupboards and shred everything inside,he's really not suited to living inside if i even leave the door open when he's loose in the garden he'll run straight in and jump onto the kitchen counter and start scrabbling about,i couldnt begin to list the things he's smashed/broken that way when ive been away and the mrs hasnt remembered to put him in his run before she feeds him or changes his water (and no shutting the door behind yourself isnt enough because he can open them if theyre unlocked)
  25. the flump
    i know that hosing him is not a good thing but its not just me he'll be waking up,theres the neighbors too,i cant let him loose in the house or he'll destroy everything he can,i cant crate him because he hates it and will just make a lot more noise (ive tried making him tired before-hand and waiting him out,he doesnt stop) which only leaves letting him sleep in the bed which i think the mrs would object to i think your right because before he seemed to want to everything i asked of him,now he doesnt,aside from bonding with him more (i do walk him 2x a day without the other dogs and t
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