I met this character jeff at a show and after listening to his account of his '400 year old' bloodlines, I enquired how such a genetic pool could still be potent and, more importantly, producing level, sporting offspring after four centuries. His description of the 'tumblers' shoulder structure, apparently specially bred to cause the dog to tumble forward as it strikes its quarry, could not bear scrutiny or a visual comparison which one person offered and was ignored. He could not except any reasoning or be swayed from from his current inflated opinions of these 'tumblers'. He became very
