[Dog eating the catch….]

I get that people might not understand the principle, most dogs will retrieve to a certain point,  then f**k about, 

the point I’m making is, you can develop a positive mindset in the dog in or around your space , 3 or 4 feet around you is where most dogs start reverting out of the positive state its in and back into a hand shy state, the body language will show it, it’s because we then become the negative in its environment, it can’t sustain the feeling,

So I work on the effect I have on the dog in that space, of course the dog will come into your space,  when f**k all is going on, every dog will,  but I want him to be able to be comfortable in my space when highly excited and energised also to be able to take instruction, 

Desire overcomes fear in animals, hunger becomes a tool to overcome anxiety, shy dogs can’t overcome the physical force of your hand against their chest, try it , the more at ease with you a dog is , the easier he can overcome the force to eat, it turns a negative space into a positive one, 

Applying force on to something is a predatory act, by overcoming the force of you, the dog is overcoming its own anxieties 

[Dog eating the catch….]

Hand feed everything, feed the mutt when you walk it, feed out of the right hand, using the left to keep a little pressure on the chest/ base of neck area, might not want to push through the pressure of your left hand when you start,

let it overcome a little pressure at the start and gradually build up until the f****r can push full force to get the food, 

fearful dogs can’t project themselves physically on to their handlers, to do so, changes the dynamic, 

food is a prized item, caught game is a prized item, you’re just interjecting yourself physically into its behavior, how it interprets things, 

Food causes stimulation , it’s a physical thing , when we bowl feed there is nowhere for that stimulation to go, you’ll only see it if you encroach or another dog encroached, the close proximity will turn it into aggression, another way of looking at it is , canines in the wild generally have to overcome huge resistance to eat, run for f****n miles or take down prey 5/6 times their own size, they get to process huge amounts of energy doing so, by letting the dog project into you to overcome your resistance is a game changer for overcoming food aggression and other major issues you might have with a new dog of any dog for that matter,

 

best of luck 

[Kids attacked near school]

5 hours ago, WILF said:

In this bizarre mixed up world, it may very well be that it would be more likely the UVF and its affiliates to look to when it comes to the government trying to wipe out the indigenous population of Ireland……the RA don’t know their arse from their elbow on this subject and their political wing is very pro immigration.

Still, what do you expect from an organisation that was an opportunistic invention of hard core Marxists.

In this scenario the loyalists are the patriots !……how’s that for a conundrum for the “our day will come” lot ! Lol 

, full of shit 

the only thing you’d turn to the UVF for,  is feeding your habit. 

[Israel]

11 minutes ago, WILF said:

It wasn’t a dig, just a statement of fact and especially true in areas of the republic that never had any real life experience of the troubles…..The Wolf Tone mentality is alive and well mate, I’m not arguing for it either way just saying it is. 

Whats a Wolfe Tone mentality, bunch of aul lads singing songs is a mentality 

[Israel]

On 14/10/2023 at 18:01, WILF said:

It represents enough of them believe me.

They don’t put up memorials of dead IRA men for nothing ! 
, What a f****n statement , Grow up 

[Brexit. Success? Too early to judge? Disaster?]

Let’s be honest , biggest f****n balls up ever, Failed 

 

[Brexit. Success? Too early to judge? Disaster?]

28 minutes ago, kanny said:

 

What did ya expect from Sammy ? 

[Brexit. Success? Too early to judge? Disaster?]

6 hours ago, sandymere said:

Wait a minute, didn't we all have free access to both the EU and UK pre Brexit.................

Ya couldn’t make this shit up, farcical

First country in the world  to impose sanctions on itself 

[what came 1st the grey wolf or the dog?]

On 09/08/2021 at 19:35, sandymere said:

As foxes are self domesticating in our cities today, it would appear that living close to humans brings on " natural domestication" so the early wolf/dogs likely underwent the same process and from there were easier to become fully domestic when the time was right.

Urban foxes may be self-domesticating in our midst

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City living may have set the animals on the road to doglike features

 

 

The social element of the hunt is what made the wolf become the dog, 

Foxes , raccoons , rats , cats you name have lived in or around humans for ever but it wont made them as social as the dog, 

they use the word “may”because they can’t figure out what the f**k is going on , living in close proximity,  feeding in dumps, from garbage all that shite wild animals do now , won’t make them domesticated , take the bear for instance, is it on the way to domestication too ? Not a chance,  the less fear it has , the more dangerous the f****r is 

the wolf became the dog  because the pack was needed  to take down big prey, they had to cooperate , the social element was needed for survival,

the dog at his very heart is born wild, the more you let a dog express its natural behaviour through the hunt , the more social he becomes 

you can take a dog into any environment and it won’t break down into instinctive behaviour which is fear based, try putting another animal on a lead and dragging round a busy high street and you quickly find out where the line lies between social and instinctive behaviour 

the simple act of physical movement,  aligning oneself with the dog on a regular basis, enough to develop a long lasting social bond with your dog, food is just an added bonus, 

Put it this way , if you missus always fed the dogs  at home, really friendly with them , got on great with them , listened to her , behaved well for her all that shite , etc 

Once those dogs are out in a hunting environment, suddenly , you went one way and the missus went another,  who would  the dogs follow,

the one who represents food or the one who represents freedom and natural behaviour ? 

 

 

[Nigeria Steps Up!!!]

11 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

Ignore racial instinct at your peril !

What’s racial instinct ? 

[Natural camouflage ?]

2 hours ago, sandymere said:

Not bad, little slow maturing but good drive when out and laid back at home, generally pretty easy to have around. 

Once they can contrast  home life become a lot easier,  no doubt 

Well done you sir , she looks in fine fettle 

[Natural camouflage ?]

11 hours ago, sandymere said:

I'll be getting her some  moleskin next

She looks in good order there that bitch, 

what’s the head space like with them ?

[pure greyhound as a steady worker??]

1 hour ago, whitefeet4190 said:

Why would u want to leather the shite out of what should be ur best mate, bond is everything with a dog and no matter how much u beat it it's not going to make it want to work for you, where as if u have a bond with the dog they want to work for or with u, I am guilty of been a bit hard with a couple of dogs and it's got me no where apart from dogless so maybe I've matured over the years or just more relaxed with my dogs but all I ask is they put as much effort in to work as I put in to them, me personally work for a mate rater than an enemy

Happy hunting anyway

Ah your 100% right sir

the point been the younger you introduce confrontation or discipline instead of management the deeper it’s embedded,

sure he’ll wag his tail at ya after it but he’ll never forget  it , especially in your space  

  

[pure greyhound as a steady worker??]

5 hours ago, jackthelad said:

like the readig your posts casso makes sences when see it written doen......

When a dog gets a handle on what he was bred for , everything falls into place , 

little issues fall away because then he wants  to fit , thats how a pack works , the physical act of  hunting  is what makes a pack social , that’s where the bonding takes place,

on that same note until he gets that principle he’s a bit all over the place, so when lads are trying to discipline a pup to makes it social,  to stop it doing shit , your only promoting misbehaviour because if he can’t engage with you without fear , everything else is much more inviting include stock 

he just want to express himself physically, collar that and ya have him 

once ya get him over a certain stage and he’s programmed to a certain activity with you  , ya can then lather the shite out of him but ya got to be careful , some of the more primitive breeds are unforgiving and it only shows in the Field , 

 

[Guard dogs]

18 hours ago, hang & bang said:

it's been going on for a long time now breeding for colours ect pets4homes and gumtree was flooded with them and blue ones selling for more people breeding just to get blues, I'm gonna be very honest I dont think there worth the price tag as a pup, it's the hours training in them that adds value (been sold 6m/1yr) but going picking out a 8 week old pup paying 1,000+ I think is over priced but that's the market price for a well bred one.

It's about the money not the dogs anymore worse thing that could of happened was that Mali going on the mission to kill osama bin laden with the navy seal team after that every c**t and his mother was on google and YouTube searching them and watching videos thinking it was cool to own one YouTube shows flashy videos won't show you the metal bowels been chewed in pens the countless pairs of bottoms ruined by pups hanging outta you dogs barking there heads off at all hours for nothing many a night been out in the yard in my underwear freezing the balls off myself getting them back into there kennels, some them would hear a mouse fart and there crashing off the pens barking there heads off.

Doberman is a great example of that , 

Official  War  dog of US Marine Corps during World  War ll , Pacific duty in Guam places like that , nerves of steel , 

Splashed all over the papers  and news in the States  at the time , everyone wanted one , you can’t breed friendliness into a breed,  all your doing is breeding a flaw/weakness  Into the Animal  , 

when they stop breeding for purpose and function, you f**k up the genetic pool 

almost unheard now as a true working animal , I’d hate to see that happen to the Mali 

[pure greyhound as a steady worker??]

22 minutes ago, Blackmag said:

Not trying to dig you out casso I'm interested in your view and I know your a intelligent lad that knows his stuff but I don't get why if your going to run  a grey  you would do it different from a lurcher who you expect to do the same job and saying a grey hasn't been bred to catch anything in 200 years there was coursing up until the ban running greyhounds for that very reason Waterloo cup being one none of the above I can see would make a difference and everyone has had lurcher pups who chase crisp packets leaves ect 

Nothing intelligent going on in my head , just a very curious f****r, 

park and open coursing is nothing to do with catching , one dog races another up till the hare , hare is usually given enough grass for the hounds to take a turn out of her and that’s usually it , judge decides red or white , the dog that takes first turn wins , 3 points in the bag 

they don’t want hares caught , why would they , it don’t look good 

it’s about genetics , hounds in general , fox hounds , beagles , greys  , basset hounds , you name them ,  that list of dogs that hunt/ kill on there own,  are less socially engaged with man , generally 

Collies , labs , springers , setters , mals , pointers , pastoral breeds work with man to catch , all work been a version of hunting , genetically they assimilate humans into their working mindset 

hounds can tune out the world while running to a mind boggling degree  

sheep dog can tune out the world while running to a mind boggling degree but still take instruction , that’s the key , 

Even if you cross two pure bred animals , different breeds , the offspring of the crossing even if there’s a full hound in the mix , will be more socially aware, 

id rather make life easier for himself in knowing one dog is more social inclined to work with me than another , that’s all mate 

took me a long time to figure that shit out, one may be faster but the other is trying to second guess me , one is genetically programmed to tune me out and the other to tune me in 

 

[pure greyhound as a steady worker??]

I don’t as a rule stock break a lurcher , I introduce it to work,
say lamping ,I ingrained  that in for a few months so the dog understands the system , It gets the pattern of events that leads to work , boots on , battery ready , smells and sounds of work , all lead to catching rabbits or whatever your hunting , they get it quicker more socially aware , less inclined to deafness out , meeting stock after that isn’t an issue , 

full hounds are a lot more trigger happy, If it moves chase it , it’s what it’s bred for shape size colour matters f**k all , movement stimulates It  right down to toes , the genetics of social engagement listening to me is not there 

 

[pure greyhound as a steady worker??]

46 minutes ago, Blackmag said:

so basically same as you do with a lurcher pup then no need to over complicate things 

Id be more inclined to start  a lurcher sooner rather than later but less emphasis on breaking to stock , i ignore stock work with a lurcher they seem to gravitate to what they bred for quicker 

[pure greyhound as a steady worker??]

1 hour ago, poxon said:

Get your greyhound mate we’re ever you ask questions there will be nay sayers your  odds are the same as any with running dogs fella it either will be what you want or it won’t if you look to much in to any running dog or running dog cross there’s negatives with all it’s about what you fancy as it’s you that will be feeding it an caring for it. Here’s a question for you how much intelligence/obedience does a lamp dog need?.....in my eyes not a lot recall and a extension of recall that’s retrieve if your a rabbit man the rests all ready in the dog by genetic make up so get your greyhound mate give it a try if it works out happy days  if not close the chapter an don’t visit it again 

This mans right , 

get your pup, invest time and effort in it , what I wouldn’t do is introduce too young

, use the first year to engage it totally in you, what your looking for is social engagement with you as a starting point, 

dogs bred to kill on their own,  generally are more aloof and inclined to act on instinct,  full hounds and terriers ,as opposed to collies , gun dogs and the like who work specifically through and with their owner , tend to be more biddable,  social more inclined to want to please 

go out and play/ interact with it in the same fields/ areas your going to work in, no point training in the garden and expect the training just to transfer into any environment it doesn't work like that with dogs , every environment is a different mindset , 

what I would focus on is introducing a state of calm out , where you can just sit down beside a ditch Somewhere and the pup will gravitate to you to the exclusion of everything else ,  and just sit there and feed it bits  and let it chill , ferreting is a great way of starting a pup 

A pup is forever trying to figure out what to do with its body to make action happen so in ferreting it learns “ if I do f**k all I can make rabbits appear”  , bingo you've just introduced a state of calm , not by your physical training but the dog learning from the inside out , it’s not enforced through you so no confusion between you and it 

whereas some pups can run into trouble if stated on the lamp with other dogs , a frenzy of excitement which always means movement to a dog and if a dog feels that movement makes bunnies  appear That is exactly what it will do , it’ll keep running to the exclusion of you it doesn’t have the genetic make up to pander to any training , instinct will rule 

if you  often reference the fact that instincts prevail, but then engage that instinct into interaction with you, ball play tug play ,   you’ll go a long way in bonding before you introduce the real thing , if ya get me 

bonding is engaging drive / instinct with you through physical movement 

once again best of luck 

[pure greyhound as a steady worker??]

Do ya want me to talk them up , what people believe is up to them , 

[pure greyhound as a steady worker??]

29 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

If you’re only experience is ex track dogs it’s no wonder you have the view you have, it’s best you leave lads to answer the mans question that have actual experience of rearing one from a pup. 

X track / coursing , was given a slippy pup by Mallon in Monaghan for getting a hound going for him to make the time , 

reared it till I found it was no better than a half bred beddy thing I had but with less bottle 

lads tried dogs same dogs between track and field , 

if ya know dogs ya know dogs and it wasn’t going to make the grade for anything heavy 

[pure greyhound as a steady worker??]

Bred a couple of first crosses years ago, no problem getting full hounds bitches then and worked them to see what they were made of , kept an odd one around 

put them on anything worth running but found them lacking in most departments, f***ing air heads , if the action was 100 yards in front they’d have spotted a leaf blowing 50 yards behind and be hot on its ass , you don’t need a working grey to breed pups that work if the dog is a right one , I only ever saw them as vessel for breeding, cost nothing and had the basic frame for running 

put it this way I always associate pure bred dogs greys in particular with black type horses (thoroughbreds), their intelligence is in their speed , their not bred to catch, anything , so supple is not a strong point with them, and as with the difference between gypsy horses and thoroughbreds, I always found them a little more distant, a little lacking , run first/think  later , don’t get hung up on the speed thing Bud , turning ability , heart, social engagement go a long way , 

if catching was about speed we’d all have greys , we don’t and it’s for a reason , even a pup out of two half assed lurchers will give you something  decent with more stamina and more social engagement , speed kills,  only when  driving,

bottom line , there’s not a single grey,  bred to catch anything for the last two hundred years , unlike the desert dog bred solely to catch 

best of luck with it anyway, I’ve been as honest as I can bud ,take it or leave it 

[Pup training trouble]

Forget all that socialising bollocks , pups are born social , social is the foundation 

the expression of physical force /energy /flow / drive is key to bonding with you and everything else, 

when a dog is stimulated it Has  to move , unless trained otherwise,  which is another days work 

look at it this way ,

dog see dog, dog get energised by sight of other dog , dog is stuck with said energy, to ground this feeling a dog must move , it can’t  just do f**k all , if your not the answer , your the problem 

you correcting the mutt in your space when stimulated, makes everything else much more inviting ,  because you can’t return his system to neutral if ya get me ,  which f***ing about with other dogs will 

the biggest issue by far for every dog is 

“what do I do with my energy “ answer that from the start and the dog will happily ignore everything else and invest himself in you , YOU CREATE HIS WORLD ,  that’s the bottom line  

forget titbits treats any of that shite, don’t bowl food , only feed  all food when on walks , getting him to push into you with your left hand on his chest to get food in your right , 

get him hooked on a tug item  Or a ball but I prefer a tug item it gives a great work out   5 mins training is better that 5 hours walking  because the dog is in a drive mindset , a state of flow , it reduces his charge and it’s all happening in your space , 

teach him to bark on command, teach him to down, keep him on a long line while out 

dont play in the home, in fact ignore the f****r, inside calm outside play 

only let him express himself energetically through you that’s the key ,

Dont let other dogs correct him fucks sake your creating a bigger problem you’ll have to solve later 

your the problem but also the answer , best of luck 

[THE VICTORIA CROSS]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

In Ireland some people would vilify you for honouring those blokes mate, retarded as f**k if you ask me.

I fell out with a bloke Poppy Day because he was chatting some shit about the Brits and shove ya poppy up your arse an all that.....now, I’m not a particular Poppy Day fanatic but I ain’t having all that bollocks uttered within earshot of me.

We were still the best nation in the world when we was still united and them blokes had honour and courage beyond most you see today.

We’re all entitled to an opinion, because you don’t agree with it doesn’t mean the individual or his opinion is retarded , 

The ease in which you throw in , an off the cuff remark about some Irish,  who may not agree with your empirical mindset just about sums you up on here , you still living here .?

“we were still the best nation in the world when we were still united “ Where the f**k you going with that statement,

 The word nation doesn’t leave much room for the Scots welsh or Irish 

[THE VICTORIA CROSS]

http://www.vconline.org.uk/james-murray-vc/4587698927
His daughter lily was my granny 

he went on to work in the fire service in Dublin ,