i had one given me last season which was a family pet and it was manick but trained into a good picking up dog excellent in cover like spaniel and retrieved like a lab won a couple of scurrys with it and got offerd silly money for him and regret it now sold him you just have to be careful noy make them manick as they are little harder to control i would love to have another one but the price they want for them add some extra cash and you could buy a well bred lab or springer pup