Tratante
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This was the last Bill Brightmore Patterdale that I had and that's a young me in the background, this was around 1980. He gave it to me to breed from as the temperament was perfect and he worked well but he would try and kill any other dog. I worked him here in the south and sometimes in the Lakes, he suited me as I like to work alone.
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On 11/19/2017 at 18:20, MikeyMJL said:
9/16 beddy 7/16 whippet
Looks like a dog I owned around 79, beddy whippet with a bit of bull.. wish I could get my hands on another one!
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Found these old photos of Bill, Doug and Stan when we were at Bill's place, he is holding a dog that he gave me. The photos of the terriers are non-descript northern working terriers photos taken around 1979, the black small lurcher is one of the best lamping dogs I ever had and tough as old boots.
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On 30/10/2017 at 10:00 PM, foxdropper said:
Seen some of the stuff go in my early years and was impressed .What didn't impress me was the dog aggression ,even though I had sane problems with what I was breeding at the time .Early entering stuff if memory is right and compact workers too.Without getting the full picture I'd say most of the stuff has been absorbed by other breeders and the real deal is pretty much a rarity these days .
I had two dogs from Bill, one was a black and tan bitch that was average the other was a black rough coated demon. It was too aggressive with people and decided to wake from sleeping by my feet one evening to turn into a Tasmanian Devil. I made the mistake of trying to pick it up by the scruff and was too slow, it took lumps out of my hand and arm, it didn't live with me after that.
Last time Bill and I met was just after Christmas 1980, and after a great day at the farm we spent the rest of it trying to drink ten pints of Marsden's Pedigree at the pub over the road which I think was the Black Bull.
In hindsight his dogs were fit for that time but now there are better dogs around, rose coloured glasses do not work. I see great running dogs and terriers about these days with little use for a earth dog that was that aggressive it would attack a fox in a rock den that had the advantage of a ledge, an intelligent terrier would bay not attack in that situation. I'm of a generation who tried to breed the best dogs for all the wrong reasons, we bred terriers for aggression and running dogs for height and looks when they should have been bred with good feet (southern England flint) and stamina.. Many a night Doug Cooper and I had to pick up our dogs and retreat after one run because the feet were cut to pieces, mind you the dogs looked great. All of us from that era including the 'names' Mick the Norfolk Poacher, Doug Cooper, Mad Stan, even Plummer were amateurs making it up as we went along. Brian and I got one fairly well and I had one of his early lurches which was average but I'm well pleased for him that he out of the lot of us toe rags has a dog breed named after him, say what you want that's the dogs bollocks we would all like, yeh, even this old git!
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I was meant to go there today but something cropped up,any good?
Yeh, it was a good show and the weather was great, a few small lurches about and saw a great 3/4 grey x collie.
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Just got back from the Surrey Game Fair but only a few good dogs about, not many running dogs.
Saw these terriers at the show, I did like the Patterdale's, shame they weren't worked, the owner of the Plummer's said that they worked.
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Nuff said!
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Last one on this subject.... honest!
The 'Tiger Cage'....
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Well, Tratante you may have been away from the lurcher scene for many years,..but as you can see, nothing much has changed.... 
Yeh! Still the same by the sounds of things....
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Halcyon days for sure still got my copy of this book.
It was, remember the lion cage?
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Bloody great times!
Still going through the book and bottom left looks like your dog?
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I've returned to the UK after many years away and going through my mountains of junk and found this book Lambourn. Doug Cooper, Plummer, Mike Douglas, Mad Jim the Blacksmith and a few more dog men every year, wish it was still going.
Wonder what happened to Geoff Battans?
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Interesting that the 'civilised' races look in scorn on indigenous peoples who haven't evolved a fantastic consumer society and a need to work themselves into the ground to gain huge amounts of material possessions we don't actually need. Our dogs are no different: man made products to satisfy the massive prey drive we have in order to wipe out the feral animals we introduced in the first place. There's a kind of irony in that scorn, I find.
Its all part of the madness that is the human race.Breeds due to too much showing and little or no field testing has lead to a huge amount of dogs /breeds unable to do the very job that they were bred for many years ago so ....shame on the kennel clubs and their toffy nose breeders.Many Many years years ago if the dog didnt fill the bag or couldnt do the job for which it was bred..... it was culled.A wild dog isnt required these days we in fact have plenty of good working stock out there but we need to stop looking for some MAGIC cross or breed and fine tune and hard cull the ones we already have .I have a good number of dogs off whom I make my living off the backs off ,we have our own lines of working terriers for pest work ,we only breed worker to worker ,only breed the best to the best and its true to say not all turn out to be reasonable workers ,the ones that dont reach that standard we cull .At times we add some other breeds to the mix but once again only from the best we have or can find of that breed.we have found by doing so our % of dogs that reach a reasonable standard is much greater .We do some really top dogs ,some reasonable dogs that do the job well and some poor ones that we then cull .I dont place them as pets as Ive found the owner then decides because his mate or uncle /sister has one... they mate them ,another litter hits the ground from parents that lack whats required .....thats only adding to the problem .
You sure that Brian Plummer is not a related to you, I know he was Welsh but loads of them went to NZ on the ten quid boat? Those words of yours above could be heard reverberating around his cottage, being spoken to many a new face throughout the 70's and 80's maybe even longer. By the way don't mention the Rugby unless you're talking about the one and only Hurricanes!
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Couple of grand? Sod paying that for a dog! Forest of Dean Redneck's plan sounds best idea, any beddie whippets about?
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3/4 Greyhound 1/4 Collie.
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We have a lot of feral dogs here, these hunt and kill whatever's available, one of these crossed with a grey would be pucker.
The dogs in the picture are killing a monitor lizard, on Jurong Island, Singapore where these dogs are grow up to 3m long. Anyone know what the import and quarantine rules are these days, as I might bring one back to the UK for breeding?
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I've sent you a PM
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You're right these are expensive and I may lug just one back to the UK if I can't buy one there.
By the way anyone remember the pub called Knave of Spades at Bethnal Green, I used to go there after visiting Brick Lane market to buy a few beers and a bird or two. The market and birds being sold will be long gone now as that was around 1979, great times meeting fellow mule breeders....
That's the bird house used to get in there sunday mornings dammed with birds all round the sides about 1978/79 showing my age now fresh caught goldies $3.00 each or two for a fiver lads used to come in with 50/60 fresh caught birds every sunday long gone now
I liked going there after a good mooch in the market, always left with a couple of Goldie's and some bird lime made for Holly, for a Southern Pub the ale wasn't too bad either.
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I remember Doug,got my first lamp kit from him,met him few times back in the day,he used get to the gamefair,when it was run by the cla,they didn't like him because they said he sold too much stuff for poachers,nice fella,must over 40yr ago,you could get some rare stuff from him,still got my original lamp, the old blue eye,wonder what ever happened to him? Most of that era have passed on,...a few left,...but not many...
With Brian Plummer, Bill Brightmore, Mick Douglas and Doug Cooper gone, you're right they have, but this one is returning to the UK soon to see what's going on after 30 plus years away and out of the game. Don't worry I won't be knocking on any doors but hopefully will bump into a few, now very old associates at the shows. BTW, Doug died after getting aggressive cancer thought to be brought on by using a wasp killing chemical in confined spaces without the proper mask. He was a business man through and through, he took CTF into the Pest Control business hence the wasp clearance.
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Song birds hanging in the local market Singapore. These are not for sale but hung out by locals.
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a friend of mine who ran a field sports shop at Hampton Court.
Was CTF at Hampton court mate?I thought they were in Sutton?I live very close to Hampton court palace,i used to order nets etc from CTF when I was a kid in the north east,didnt know the shop was so close.
Yes, CTF was at Sutton run by Doug's dad, it was a funeral pallor. Doug used the company to start the Field Sports Shop at Hampton Court.
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Back in the days when life was in black and white, a school teacher got in touch with a friend of mine who ran a field sports shop at Hampton Court. The teacher had his 5th form pupils type up a book that he had written, this book was published mostly at his own expense but also with donations from other like the owner of the field sports shop. As I was a very good friend of the owner of this shop I was given a signed copy.
The book was called 'The Jack Russell Terrier, its training and entering'
The author was David Brian Plumber (or just Brian)
The shop owner was Doug Cooper who's dog was Dylan
I still have the book and thought it might be worth a fortune but guess what, it's worth about 16 blooming quid!
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While I'm on here mumping my gums, anyone breeding 1st cross Beddi/Whippets this Autumn?
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This cross is only bred for its tight feet and some hybrid vigour. It'll lamp and course ok like any other sight hound, don't expect much guts though Sent from Singapore
joker" dont expect much guts" you must keep some shite.
I've not had a decent dog since Mick Douglas, Doug Cooper and I used to hunt the broads and down Hampshire and you're right the dogs out here wear mascara and a broken coat means just that and it's time to go to the pet shop to buy another one! I'll be back home soon after 30 years away and looking for a good pup. Be lucky!
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Mick Douglas Norfolk Lurchers
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The wife and I had a break in Norfolk the other week and I had to stop near Mick's place (I was still able to find it after 40+ years), I smiled at memories of when Doug Cooper and I used to spend many weekends up there. Mick came down to Surrey a few times and he had fun but his dogs hated the bloody flint fields here and Mick was always glad to get back home. They were grreat times and I still miss them, even after all these years. RIP Mick and Doug.