Thanks to everyone for the replies, i will keep at it, any opinions on the rifle? Good choice or not for a starter? I went in after an HW95 but somehow walked out with the LGV master pro! As I didnt know anyone to ask I had to rely on the shop which is not always a great idea, at least my experience with high end bows seemed to be that way, must have gone through half a dozen before experience led me through all the nonsense to a decent piece of kit, a very expensive journey, albeit a learning one. Thanks again everyone,