Just to add my personal findings to the scope issue.
For me, all that was said against Hawke for centrefire rings true. I would not purchase one as I think there are far better options for the money.
I have 2 friends with hawke scopes, one filled with water and went back the other kept losing zero on a 223 and ended up in the bin.
Sorry if you spent money on these and this do'snt sit nicely with you and I hear what you are saying about different manufacturers, but time will tell.