trojan 0 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 does anyone think some breeders are breeding birds from the same pair for too long and not ever hunting again with the pair,does this affect the quality of the offspring? Quote Link to post
jasper65 6 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 does anyone think some breeders are breeding birds from the same pair for too long and not ever hunting again with the pair,does this affect the quality of the offspring? Its a good question Trojan. If a good pairing has been made up from some years ago from well known hunting blood lines, or birds that have proved themselves in the field time and time again then I can't see it making much difference to the quality of the youngsters however long the pairs have been grounded for breeding! the blood line will still be the same while that pairing are together no matter what.... There's a few things that give me the arse! for instance when related blood lines are placed together for so called line breeding or perhaps because both birds was good performers in the field and subsequently inbred, another when people have poluted the pure finnish stock with German lines or whatever! but still sell the birds as pure finns. its things like this which has happend over and over again which has contributed to birds not making the sizes and other ailments due to Inbreeding I have heard mentioned.... the other thing I think we all need to remember when buying a bird is however good the parents have proved themselves in the field or whatever superior blood lines they are you will always still get some poor stock that don't quite make the grade, Times like this you can't always blame the falconer for the poor performance when its down to the bird. Ok their are alot of poor falconers but there are also alot of birds that fall by the wayside, even good quality wild stock produce poor stock which Won't make it past the first winter for one reason or another, Nature will soon sort out the duffers which are slow on the uptake and fail to kill for a living.... Nature has a natural process of sorting out the good from the bad but the problem with Captive breeding is when we pick up a bird fresh from the aviary what bird are we going to get? , will it be the Numpty for one reason or another that would never make it past the first winter in the wild or will it be one of the chicks that makes the grade? its a hard one mate as we don't know this until the bird it trainned and Hunting but its a chance we take whenever we take up a youngster untouched.... I'm not saying some of the slower birds can't be made good as I'm sure they can but I'm certain some are born into it and excel themselves in the field, while the others have to be made...... sorry for running on mate Jasper Quote Link to post
les 0 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 does anyone think some breeders are breeding birds from the same pair for too long and not ever hunting again with the pair,does this affect the quality of the offspring? Its a good question Trojan. If a good pairing has been made up from some years ago from well known hunting blood lines, or birds that have proved themselves in the field time and time again then I can't see it making much difference to the quality of the youngsters however long the pairs have been grounded for breeding! the blood line will still be the same while that pairing are together no matter what.... There's a few things that give me the arse! for instance when related blood lines are placed together for so called line breeding or perhaps because both birds was good performers in the field and subsequently inbred, another when people have poluted the pure finnish stock with German lines or whatever! but still sell the birds as pure finns. its things like this which has happend over and over again which has contributed to birds not making the sizes and other ailments due to Inbreeding I have heard mentioned.... the other thing I think we all need to remember when buying a bird is however good the parents have proved themselves in the field or whatever superior blood lines they are you will always still get some poor stock that don't quite make the grade, Times like this you can't always blame the falconer for the poor performance when its down to the bird. Ok their are alot of poor falconers but there are also alot of birds that fall by the wayside, even good quality wild stock produce poor stock which Won't make it past the first winter for one reason or another, Nature will soon sort out the duffers which are slow on the uptake and fail to kill for a living.... Nature has a natural process of sorting out the good from the bad but the problem with Captive breeding is when we pick up a bird fresh from the aviary what bird are we going to get? , will it be the Numpty for one reason or another that would never make it past the first winter in the wild or will it be one of the chicks that makes the grade? its a hard one mate as we don't know this until the bird it trainned and Hunting but its a chance we take whenever we take up a youngster untouched.... I'm not saying some of the slower birds can't be made good as I'm sure they can but I'm certain some are born into it and excel themselves in the field, while the others have to be made...... sorry for running on mate Jasper Quote Link to post
trojan 0 Posted November 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 nice one jasper,thanks Quote Link to post
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