Thanks very much Dave, that cleared it up for me, went to see the two I was talking about and they came straight over to the hutch door as soon as I opened it and I picked them up no problem, they didn't seem bothered at all so I'm picking them up Sunday. Just need to get a few things in after work tomorrow. I was a bit concerned on the state of their hutch right enough....didn't look like it had been cleaned out in a while.