WOW a few people i know reccomended this site to me to join as i have dogs for working, i also have clumbers but from this post where someone who has had a bitch for 5 years before breeding her is slagged off as a puppy pedlar and another post looking for a stud dog in the archives where the person was belittled hit with derision seems i was right not to bother registering before, what a great bunch of people you all are!