Thankyou all very much for your assistance, it realy has helped me! very much appreachate it, i will take your advice and try them both out with a recomended pellet 22. Logun Penitraitors, i was just a little worried as the first air rifle i ever had was an incredibly old BSA Lighting lookalike, all i know is its 177., has iron sights and was break barrel and has BSA on the stock and that kinda made me abit nervous around break barrels, i also saw the length of the barrel of the HW97k and to me it looked a little short, ive played airsoft for a long time and that kinda made me think it wouldnt