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well done, nows the time to practise ur own sqeeking with the cubs about............. back of your hand and suck!!
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Nice one mate!
The old addage usully is right.
'If you see a rook on its own its a crow and if you see a lot of crows together they are rooks'
i likie that quote.......
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thanks guys some awesome info and replies there much appreciated.....the .270 just seems to be so much cheaper than alot of the other calibers!
I lived in SA for ten years, where i bought my remmington .270 14 years ago, its now in the safe in the loft!!
loud bang........ thats the last thing you are thinking about when you drop the buck,
recoil- let the adrenalin sort that out.
yes . when on the range you go home brusied, and you look daft in your earmuffs...............
i used home loads and could clover three rounds at 100m............. after a while!
Now, back here i am using my 223 for fox, so havent really used it on factory ammo.
will do next year so best i get to the range and look daft
my .270 trophy!
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last year jan-dec we got 197 on 3500 acres but this year its been quiet so far only at the mid 50's all with a .222 and this is for hobby not a living we go out out twice a week
thats going sum hey.
must be nice having 3500 acres, we have about 1100 scattered about and seam to be over doing it a little. just trying to get some more
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yer a gd lil bit of advice there a dog will be what you put into it ya carnt take a dog out a think it will no what to do you have to egg it on a bit make it confident biteing things an giv her lil pat on the back when she dose so she nose shes doin right shes onli 9 months lad still only young tha gd luck any way
new lurcher
Thanks for the advice, because shes not mine, i dont see her that much, i know what you mean about egg it on a bit, because she with a 60+ year old woman, she getts the walks but not the play fighting that she probably needs.
my own dogs (when i had them) were play fighting from a pup, so they got stuck in early on............ but now u guys mention it it makes sense.
i may bag a rabbit and drag it round a bit, get her playing.
dont know anyone with other dogs, and shes timmed anyway....... the hunt of a rat maybe too much for her, u know tail between legs and circuling your feet.
cheers guys
steyr
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Very poor year this year due to work commitments and my lamping buddy emigrating to Sweden.
up untill last year we were avaraging around 100 a year (out twice a week) on a very large commercial shoot where he was keeper. we used to take turns shooting until one miss then we swapped back.
last year he swapped to a new estate and we could only get out once or twice a month but still had over 30 together and he had a fair few on his own.
This year i've been kept really busy with the rabbits and haven't even kept a record but it's about 10ish.
I used to keep a record of how many I shot with the 223 and it is about 320 over the last 6 years so the rest must have fallen to either 243AI or 17Rem.
best morning 5, best night 7 (saw 13) best evening sitting up 3.
We were doing it for his lively hood but it seemed like sport to us, each to his own.
ATB, Ezzy
hey ezzy,
i like the idea of the 1 miss and your out, it keeps your eye on the ball. my mate drives from oldham every weekend to go shooting, and it always seams to be me on the rifle and him lamping, so yes ............. like my miss spent youth on the pool table in the local pub! winner stays on!
steyr
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I used a gun a few years back ,and unless your a keeper or someone protecting stock or gamebirds,i find this no sport at all.
To hunt them with a dog you feel you have outwitted them more and the challenge is better,i remember letting my son shoot one or two from the van we were in when calling them,he was only six and the fox remains right where you shoot it,no chase or fair sport for me,i think there are a lot of gun happy people out there,defenitely not hunters.
dont know why you wrote this here.......... i didnt ask.
i am sure there is a thread on the right and wrongs of "hunting" with guns, dogs, bow and arrow. best u look for that.
i hope u enjoy your "hunting" as much as i enjoy my vermin control.
Oh and what i call hunting, is taking my 270 to SA and tracking an animal for a few hours then releasing the lead and wacthing the animal "fall right where you shot it", theres nothing worse than having to call the dogs in to track it down, much preffer a clean quick kill.
and then a few beers to cool down, while the tracker prepairs the meat for the Braai.
but hey thats my opinion! which i normally keep to myself.
Yea GREAT SPORT!!! Shootin from cars gettin PISSED UP. .
Protect the game birds by all means get rid for landowners. But do NOT try an call this SPORT!!!! . .I've just read through the whole thread,and,the only person to mention SPORT is you mate.The person that started the thread called it 'Vermin Control',so,best wind yer neck in cocker!
Thanks martin!
just to point out........... where does it mention cars? I think that was JOEDOG shooting from his van, well actual letting his 6 year old using his firearm. I think its a little young, but hey!
And who is getting pissed up?
If u mean about a few beers before a Braai, then that isnt getting pissed up................... thats having a social drink after a good days "HUNTING"
and if you haven’t done that, then maybe u aint old enough!
and besides if you are so angry ... maybe its best you dont have a gun!
The aggression on this site from certain people has surprised me.
Considering i was out the other weekend with the BB’s and a couple of dogs, everyone did their part , what they enjoyed........... good day for the guns, dogs and the dog owners.
Thanks for all the totals its been interesting reading, and yes as i thought i am at the back............
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Hi guys thanks for all your help on my last topic...
one more thing..... for this pest control job, i am planning to start shooting early morn / eve then move on to lamping, then ferret in winter as one of the pasts suggested but i dont have a 4x4 vehicle for lamping work ( i snapped the chassis of my isuzu trooper!)
what sort of average numbers do you guys generally get lamping on foot?
or if there is anyone in cornwall that has a 4x4 that fancies a few nights out then let me know.
cheers, langouroux.
i go lamping on foot when out on my own, can not be bothered trying to drive, hold lamp and gun out of a window, then the rabbit runs just to the left of the a pillar.
so im looking for a series rag top and folding front window.......... sorted!
until then
lamping on foot is fine.......... unless you want the bag for the frezer.
didnt you say its a golf course? should be fine for a car with right tyres.
steyr
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I used a gun a few years back ,and unless your a keeper or someone protecting stock or gamebirds,i find this no sport at all.
To hunt them with a dog you feel you have outwitted them more and the challenge is better,i remember letting my son shoot one or two from the van we were in when calling them,he was only six and the fox remains right where you shoot it,no chase or fair sport for me,i think there are a lot of gun happy people out there,defenitely not hunters.
dont know why you wrote this here.......... i didnt ask.
i am sure there is a thread on the right and wrongs of "hunting" with guns, dogs, bow and arrow. best u look for that.
i hope u enjoy your "hunting" as much as i enjoy my vermin control.
Oh and what i call hunting, is taking my 270 to SA and tracking an animal for a few hours then releasing the lead and wacthing the animal "fall right where you shot it", theres nothing worse than having to call the dogs in to track it down, much preffer a clean quick kill.
and then a few beers to cool down, while the tracker prepairs the meat for the Braai.
but hey thats my opinion! which i normally keep to myself.
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right, i know i am going to be blasted to the rear end of this pole, but i am up to 17 this year and i bought my steyr 223 in septmeber at the midland game fair, so i still have a couple of months to go .............
so who's at the top?
game keepers included but in a separate pole (u lucky buggers) as us poor gits have to work and do this as a hobbie.
so 17 the start!
(going by u turkey farm guys, i expect 3 figures)
steyr
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i got a call from Peter on Friday saying he's done the cut. absolutely fantastic job from what i can see so highly recommended. he also showed me some of the rifles he's made and shoots. two identical rifles, one a 22/250 and the other a 22.4000. feeeeeeeeeeeeeking heavy beasts but they're awesome rifles.
anyway the predator 8 is now sitting on it and i'm getting really annoyed because all i'm waiting on is the mounts so i'll post some pics when they arrive on monday hopefully
my local gunsmiths said £90, for cutting and proofing, have you had it done? (proofed that is)
steyr
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my inlaw has a 9 month jack russel type terrier, (her mother who is a jack russel had a fling on the beach) 1st trip out with her.
she's a little timmed, wont dive through a hole in the fence or gate she sits there waiting ..... until i drag her through.
2nd, shot a rabbit, it squelled, she just looks at me!
3rd shot a fox cub, didnt kill it, put her in the hedge where it was, she had a sniff and came out.............
dont want her to be a killer, as she plays with my little 3 year old, would like her to be like most jack russels, keen for the chase, and good on a rough shoot.
any advice welcome
cheers
steyr
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Steyr, can you please put down the whole wording of your condition, as this reads very strangely to me...
Mr Logic.
No Need as i have called my FEO, he says what you said. (and my gun shop) that if your licence reads WITHOUT the phrase "land deemed
suitable by the chief officer of police" then it is my responsibility for where i shoot. i.e "its an open licence"
if it says "land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police" within the conditions of your certificate then you HAVE to get permission by them to shoot on the said land.
end of story.............. for me anyway, thank you North Wales Firearms department.
so i have an open ticket for my 22rf, 223, and 270 for ranges only (at the moment) he said if i have land and want to shoot deer they will do an amendment to allow me to do this (after speaking, and accepting i am capable etc ect)
thank you all.
steyr
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back to the 22rf and 223
my local gun shop says its an open ticket so i dont need aproval from the fire arms department if i have new land to shoot on, because it DOSENT say "as approved by the Firearms department""
but on my licence it says "permission to shoot with this class of firearm"
is that the farmer giving me permission to use a 223 on his land? like "no problem drive your land rover over my field" or " no just use your 22rf, i dont like the bang of your 223"
or is the farming telling me that the land has been passed for a 223 and he gives me permission
confusing
Steyr, Are you happy that some bloke down the gunshop knows what your firearms department means by its conditions? Would it not be better to ask your FEO and get the full and complete information you need?
My FAC states:
"6. The 6.5x55mm Rifle and 6.5x55 Sound moderator and ammunition shall be used for deer/fox control and for zeroing on ranges, or land deemed suitable by the Chief Officer of Police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot"
That is the position of West Mercia, why not ask what your police authorities position is. Then you will be safe. I can guarantee you that if you are prosecuted, the chap down the gunshops advice will count for very little in court.
What is written on your FAC has nothing to do with any farmer, why would you think it has?
ft
I did try the FEO but 3.10 pm they were closed, oh for a job like that. will try again today.
as for the gun shop owner, since he has been in the business for 30 years you would expect him to know a dam site more than me, and he does, but you are CORRECT. he will not be standing up for me in court. as this is such a complex issue and i have learnt a little more, i will take the advice off a guy i dont know, off a forum that i have not long joined and call my FEO. and get the facts.
as for the farmer (land owner ect), he is giving me the permission to shoot on his land! so without him i dont have a good reason, but i understand what you are getting at, but as i said, in my conditions it says "................................permission to shoot with this class of firearm from the person by whom shooting rights are owned, leased or otherwise obtained" so who is giving that authority for the "Class"
me as an open ticket holder (which is what i was led to beleave i was getting)
the land owner because he has had the land checked and passed for the "class" of firearm (i hope not)
Or the FEO (which means i do not have an "open ticket")
like i said its not clear and thanks to this forum, i will get it checked ASAP to be sure, and i will let you all know!
got to go work calls
cheers
steyr
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just had some remington 50gr accutip-vboat tail. zero at 100m inch group it was abit windy . 5minutes later 118m one dead crow .how do you lads rate remington accutip. i just got 1 box of ppu left
LOOK OUT FOXaccutip @ 100m, a little low so thats been sorted, but at that grouping im happy!
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A first FAC is usually restricted and the owner may only use his rifle on land specified or approved by the police for that calibre weapon.
An EXPERIENCED FAC holder may be granted an ‘open licence’ which means you can use the rifle anywhere that YOU judge it to be safe and appropriate, WITHIN THE LAW.
i have 3 guns on my fac, point 6 7 and 8 listed below
6 22rf.................. on any suitable land over which the holder of this certificate has permission to shoot with this class of firearm............
7 the firearms and ammunition shall be used for target shooting on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate finacial arrangements in place to meet any injury and damage claim.
8 223 basiclly the same as 22rf
there is no mention of my 270, where can i use this? do you think point 7 relates to this? does this mean i need to be in a club?
Where have you been using the .270?
What were your reasons for having this calibre?
target shooting at the range, on my first cert, which it stipulated (as at the time i didnt have land to stalk).
on renwal, no mention on this cert apart from whats above.
270 is my old gun i had (and imported) when i lived in SA there i didnt need to stipulate as such, it was just used for hunting or target in south africa.
back to the 22rf and 223
my local gun shop says its an open ticket so i dont need aproval from the fire arms department if i have new land to shoot on, because it DOSENT say "as approved by the Firearms department""
but on my licence it says "permission to shoot with this class of firearm"
is that the farmer giving me permission to use a 223 on his land? like "no problem drive your land rover over my field" or " no just use your 22rf, i dont like the bang of your 223"
or is the farming telling me that the land has been passed for a 223 and he gives me permission
confusing
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A first FAC is usually restricted and the owner may only use his rifle on land specified or approved by the police for that calibre weapon.
An EXPERIENCED FAC holder may be granted an ‘open licence’ which means you can use the rifle anywhere that YOU judge it to be safe and appropriate, WITHIN THE LAW.
i have 3 guns on my fac, point 6 7 and 8 listed below
6 22rf.................. on any suitable land over which the holder of this certificate has permission to shoot with this class of firearm............
7 the firearms and ammunition shall be used for target shooting on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate finacial arrangements in place to meet any injury and damage claim.
8 223 basiclly the same as 22rf
there is no mention of my 270, where can i use this? do you think point 7 relates to this? does this mean i need to be in a club?
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after a hassle over the last few months, trying various rounds here with is my remmy accutip at 100m good closed group, yes inch low but just a quick click or 4 and its there
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Got my FAC back last week for the .223 and credit where credit is due i would like to mention R Macleouds for their service and help with purchasing the rifle. I got the rifle and T8 moderator for a good price and the shipping to n. ireland was only £15. I found Gregor Macleoud very easy to deal with and would recommend them to anyone. These days it can be hard to find people who seem to appreciate customer service especially after reading MR. L's post regarding "worst service ever", so i thought i would post a positive customer service experience.
I have fired a few rounds through the rifle on saturday which will be used for fox, (used a box of wolf ammo to run the barrel in) i tried Federal 40gr and have some horandy 55gr rounds still to try. Just wondering if any members have a .223 prohunter mountain 1:9 twist and if so what rounds do you prefer
started with 55g ppu, good grouping(1/2"), but then seamed to go poor (2 1/2"), now on accutip (1"), but have ordered 75g ppu as a reloader said a 1-9 twist likes a heavy round............ so will be trying in the next week or so.
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I use the 55gr remmy accutips through my 223 howa, they are very accurate and quite well priced for 'premium' ammunition, got mine for £16 per box. Ran out of them at the mo and local FD didnt have any left so bought some Feds 40GR ballistic tips, havent yet tried them on old foxy yet
i was paying £21.50 a box, @ my local fd 300 metres away from me.
have now found them 25 miles away at £16.50
only when i skin the rabbit i will take the p**s
so i will be driving 25 miles even if its for one box
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just had some remington 50gr accutip-vboat tail. zero at 100m inch group it was abit windy . 5minutes later 118m one dead crow .how do you lads rate remington accutip. i just got 1 box of ppu left LOOK OUT FOX
I started with 55g ppu, good grouping. but now it seams to be all over, done the normal checks scope ect, the remmington accutip groups in the inch but would prefer the pricing of the PPU, i have just ordered 75g ppu to see if that comes back in.
What have you decided on?
Just remember 75graines are for "tight twisted barrels "........
I use 75grain PPU at long range "they are the dogs" the steyr has 1-9 so have been told thats what i need............... any advice welcome
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Hello all.
I have been looking into this for a long while now..i have gathered up a few experts on all the fields required.
I,m going to build a new lamp for mooching in small areas etc etc.. (rabbits)
also a blaster for the bigger fields and the long runs etc etc.
what i want from you people is a list of requirements for your own personal perfect hunting lamp.
1. what makes up your perfect lamp.?
2.what would you do to improve it ?
3.how long does your beam really have to be ?
4.How much spread do you like ? or not like ?
5.how much did your last set up cost all together ?
6.how long do you really need the battery to last ?
7.Does the weight make a big difference ?
please just keep adding to the list anything else ....
ALSO....if anyone has any old lamps (broken or not) to donate to this new venture please let me know... we are experimenting with alsorts of different lens and reflectors and any old bits and bobs you may have around the shed may come in quite handy at the moment.ive been looking for some of the old ASPHERIC glass lenses off the old vintage car spotlights to have a play with...( IM IN YORKSHIRE).could pay postage etc etc and little bit of cash,remember im skint
I will keep you all posted on my findings.
kindest regards
vin.
i have been around the block looking at lamps
i had a tracer mini (£75) ok for rabbits but no good for fox, so with the down and upsides of that.
was looking at the tracer max pro, £65 ish pounds with no charger or battery, (can use the minis charger and battery)
but decided on clulight SL2/PKG £120 ish with filter............ why
because it has a 1000 m beam (never) more like 500m (no filter)
it has a ball joint scope mount, which is great. adjust the beam perfectly for the scope (which you cant with the tracer)
comes with seperate handle so if there two of you it is hand held
good smooth adjuster for flood to spot.
nice battery pack and shoulder strap
small light lamp
lamp holder built onto the battery pack (ideal while you work)
very very well made.
down side,
no dimmer, can buy at £40 from clulight but then its on the battery case, so its a hand off to adjust.
decided to buy a max pro dimmer at £32.50 and wire it in to the switch of the SL2. afer a couple of tries got it working (ask if you need)
they say you can switch from hand held to scope mounts in seconds if you are out on your own......... have tried this, when you see those eyes and you go from hand held to scope mount, its pitch black, cold hands and you are trying to locate the scope mounting connection into the slot of the lamp head........... hah waste of time.
no battery full indicator, it says charge it for the same amount of time u have used it!!!
so total cost of my lamp is £155.00
should have got the max pro at £65.00
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just had some remington 50gr accutip-vboat tail. zero at 100m inch group it was abit windy . 5minutes later 118m one dead crow .how do you lads rate remington accutip. i just got 1 box of ppu left LOOK OUT FOX
I started with 55g ppu, good grouping. but now it seams to be all over, done the normal checks scope ect, the remmington accutip groups in the inch but would prefer the pricing of the PPU, i have just ordered 75g ppu to see if that comes back in.
What have you decided on?
Stery Pro-Hunter & Pro-Varmint
in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
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i have a PH 223, can you not adjust the set trigger? am sure i looked at it when i first had it? small little grub screw!
i never use the "set trigger" as in the standard trigger is sweet as a nut for me.....
plus on loading, i have had an issue once or twice, but i think it is me not pulling the bolt back far enough.......... only in the heat of the moment!
Steyr223