charlwood1005

August 2, 2012

Sorry, smart comment removed suggest spend all on .243 and save for the others.

July 15, 2012

Ben Buckle Super 60 4 channel trainer aircraft

Futaba 6EX 6 Channel 2.4 GHz Transmitter and charger

Futaba 4 channel receiver and 4 Servos fitted to aircraft and charger

Flight box 4 litres glow fuel and spare plug

Ripmax pump panel with power indicator pump and glow plug lead with sealed battery.

Spare props and other bits and pieces.

More than £400 worth of gear and hours of labour spent.

Just needs finishing touches and it will be ready to fly.

Reason for sale is that I have lost interest since taking up shooting.

Looking for PCP rifle .177 or .22, 12 gauge shotgun let me know what you have.

If anyone is interested I will send photos.

Located in Bolton, Lancashire

March 9, 2009

Cymru's a big place which town?

January 30, 2009

12.4

I guess that could be easily reached by having the rifle tuned to the legal limit. Then plod comes along and tests it with a different pellet and top drawer calibrated chrono.

Is anyone safe to have any rifle running at 11.5.

January 30, 2009

Ignorance isnt an excuse. They cant just let the guy off, they have probably given him the shortest possible sentance under the law but they cant make exceptions

I was prosecuted 18 months ago for the same thing and was fined.............so no they didn't give him the shortest possible sentence. The court has to take into account mitigating factors as they did in my case. These factors are weighed up and then sentence is passed.

True it is an absolute crime.

I'm guessing there is more to this than meets the eye.

Just as amatter of interest approx how much over was your equipment?

January 28, 2009

Thanks for making that clear. Nice to know, even with the best intentions in the world, you can still be found guilty. I'm assuming they use the proven pellets then?

Borrowed off Another Site

Would just like to state this is not my post but think it is something we should all be aware of thanks to it's writer and hope he don't mind me nicking it

Police testing procedure

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Circumstances surrounding the seizure of air weapons has no bearing on the test procedure, HOWEVER, the results of the test can significantly affect the decisions made by the CPS with regard to any subsequent charges being brought. I shall cover this at the end.

I do not intend to quote from legislation, neither is my explanation exhaustive, this subject can be researched on the net from Archibold 2008 ( Criminal Pleading & Evidential practice).

There is no secret formula involved in the testing, , there is however a set procedure which has to be followed.

Air weapons seized by the Police are checked for safety, (unloaded) and submitted for testing by a Home office approved and trained firearms officer. The first stage is an examination of the gun, recorded is its calibre, any serial number the make or manufacturer and the overall condition.

The tester has to in the first instance be able to successfully load and fire the weapon . He will for instance attempt to clear a blocked barrel, but his interventions are limited.

He is in possession of a variety of magazines and fill probes to cover PCP,s he also has at his disposal Co2 capsules and a wide range of pellets.

He also has available a calibrated Skan Mark 9 chronograph hard wired to a PC. He also uses a calibrated weighing scale. Both of these devices receive regular calibration tests.

The test shots are fired at a distance of one metre from the Skan chronograph.

The pellets he uses are normally of a good quality brand, I have seen Air Arms pellets used frequently, although the brand is not identified in his report.

He then proceeds to weigh five of each different brand of pellet, pre selected for their known propensity to be either light weight, medium weight or heavy weight.

The ambient temperature of the test site is recorded

The gun is loaded and each of the string of five shots is fired through the chronograph, ( this part of the test is not recorded) although the velocity appears on the screen of the PC. He then identifies which string of shots gives the most consistently high power.

( It should be mentioned here that light weight pellets are more prone to being over the limit in a spring gun, whilst a PCP generally produces higher readings with heavy weight pellets).The tester is obviously familiar with the power out put of various types of air weapons with regard to their construction & operational capacities.

Once he has established the highest output, he will then select ten pellets from that particular brand that gave high readings & proceed to record the velocity of each shot. Obviously what he is looking for are the shots that exceed the set limit, 12ft lbs for a rifle, 6ft lbs for a pistol.

He has discretion, but not much, if three or more shots in the fired string of ten shots exceeds the limit, his report will indicate a S1 firearm. Under 3 shots over the limit, he will mention this in his report, but not indicate that it falls into the firearms category.

I have listed a copy of how a log is presented, the weapon is fictitious, but the chart is genuine. Weapon tested Pistol, .177 Walther PPK, Co2 powered.

Weight (grains) Velocity (ft/s) Muzzle Energy (ft lbs)

7.30 381.69 2.36

7.30 368.90 2.21

7.30 374.49 2.27

7.30 351.95 2.01

7.30 349.19 1.98

7.40 343.08 1.93

7.40 348.09 1.99

7.40 337.52 1.87

7.40 330.98 1.

7.50 303.00 1.53

Mean velocity = 348.90 ft/s - standard deviation = 21.77

Mean muzzle energy = 2.00 ft lbs - standard deviation = 0.23.

The uncertainties in calculations shown above are for a confidence of not less than 95%

From the above graph it can be seen the pistol falls below the power level of a standard 6ft lb pistol, so does not constitute a S1 firearm and is not subject to the provisions of the Firearms (dangerous Air weapons) rules 1969 & as such does not require a firearms certificate.

January 27, 2009

"Mr Michael Grey, defending, told the judge: "This is an absolute offence.

"I wasn't aware myself that a .22 air rifle required a Firearms Certificate, but that is no defence."

It's a good job his brief wasn't prosecuting. He'd have got the full 5 stretch.

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Thanks :notworthy:

January 27, 2009

I've posted this on its own but it is probably relevant to this thread.

Tamworth angler jailed for keeping air rifle

Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:10

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A TAMWORTH angler who bought a lethal high-powered air rifle 'to shoot rats' has been jailed for nine months by a judge.

Steven Fisher was sent down even though one of Britain's leading firearms experts ruled he could have had no idea it was an illegal weapon.

Fisher bought the air rifle from a car boot sale in Donnington for Â£500 and equipped it with a telescopic sight and silencer, Stafford crown court heard.

The gun was seized during the execution of a warrant at his home in Tamworth in connection with a domestic incident.

Mr Heath Westerman, prosecuting, said the rifle was in Fisher's fishing gear on the top of the stairs.

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The gun was tested by an officer in Staffordshire Police's firearms section.

"To fire it you need to fill it with gas," said Mr Westerman.

"When the officer filled it with gas, he fired a number of shots and as a result of this examination, the kinetic energy would have had a lethal effect on humans and as such required a Firearms Certificate.

Fisher, aged 35, formerly of Kerria Road, Amington, admitted a charge of possessing an illegal firearm.

Recorder Mr Stephen Thomas told him: "The sort of weapon you purchased is one that can cause lethal harm to humans, that's why there is a law that absolutely prohibits possession of such a weapon without authorisation.

"It is no excuse that you didn't know it was a firearm, it is your duty when you come to purchase such a weapon to ensure it is not a firearm or to seek authorisation for it."

When questioned by police, Fisher said he had bought it to shoot rats whilst he was out fishing.

Mr Michael Grey, defending, told the judge: "This is an absolute offence.

"I wasn't aware myself that a .22 air rifle required a Firearms Certificate, but that is no defence."

Mr Grey produced a copy of an airgun magazine and pointed to a number of advertisements offering similar weapons for sale.

He also referred to a report from one of Britain's leading firearms experts, the Most Reverend Professor Barry Peachey, who said that this was a type of gun most people would not know needed a certificate.

In addition, the average citizen was in no position to carry out the tests.

"These weapons are readily available from shops, from car boot sales, everyone assumes no firearms certificate is required.

"This rifle was there for the purpose he told the police.

"He is a very keen and expert angler and when he goes, he stays overnight and he is pestered by rats.

"The rifle was found in his fishing equipment," said Mr Grey.

Fisher was taken out of the dock protesting his innocence.

* Tamworth Herald, January 8, 2009, edition.

"Tuning is probably not a good idea unless you want to be keeping Bubba warm in a cell till next year or beyond.

January 27, 2009

This may have been posted before but while I was googling this popped up

:blink: :blink:Tamworth angler jailed for keeping air rifle