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Hi Arry
Yes we are still very much alive and well so can you tell me if you're still struggling to get on the website please ?
Sometimes bits of software get out of sync so it would be handy to know
Cheers
John
p.s. did your mate find what he needed ?
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No we have not got it wrong. It is approved for Stoat and Rat in England under the 2015 STAO variation.
“Goodnature A24 Rat and Stoat Trap manufactured by or under the authority of Goodnature Limited, 4-12 Cruickshank Street, Kilbirnie 6022, Wellington, New Zealand. The trap may be used only for the purpose of killing stoats and rats. ”;
http://faolex.fao.org/docs/pdf/uk146000.pdf-
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Great Book john,thoroughly enjoyable read,one question........Does GW have any more works in the pipeline?
Working on something with him yes
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Well done TC. The two I was thinking of are
http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/9243-squirrel-trap/
and this one, but unfortunately most of it seems to be missing
http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/10886-see-saw-trap/
you might also find this helpful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6geHi4m97o
cheers
John
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Somewhere on here there should be a couple of good threads on seesaw traps from about 10 years ago
But no they don't need baiting
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i still put yours on the telly at times and listen to the rain falling along that wood edge,
I only have to look at the picture and I hear the rain
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Oh it's the extension springs you need ? Not torsion ones.
These are about 150mm so if you only want 90mm they're really easy to cut down. Just cut through with a pair of snips and then bend the first complete right out to 90 degreesIf you could get away with 75mm you could get two out of each.
https://www.fourteenacre.co.uk/shop/pair-extension-springs-long/
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I know there's a thread running on the trapping section on this but I thought it worth a shout here too.
Glenn Waters is a man who knows snaring inside out and in this new book he shares the knowledge and experience which can only come from a lifetime of rabbit snaring.
Very much in Glenn’s own style, Professional Rabbit Snaring has been compiled from a large box of his original articles, hand drawn illustrations and photographs. It is probably the largest concentration of rabbit snaring advice ever to be put into print.
Over twenty nine chapters the book covers a wide range of topics including :- Snare size and placement, options for hard and soft ground, adapting to conditions, the peg snaring sequence, exploiting boundaries, problems on the snareline, tools for snaring and the making of your own snares.
Whether you are new to snaring, a successful snarer or a frustrated amateur there is sure to be information here that will help you achieve better catches.
Softback: 328 pages A4
214 Illustrations
ISBN-13: 978-0-9558535-3-1
Size: 297mm x 208mm x 17mmhttps://www.fourteenacre.co.uk/shop/professional-rabbit-snaring-glenn-waters/
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Cheers john b!
That got there quick then !
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OK, they're here now and have started shipping out.
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Thank you for the replies guys cheers anyway John b I'm using a brick hammer now it's pretty good to be honest
Excellent, glad you've found something that suits you.
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Unfortunately we haven't had any of these for ages. We bought up about 300 that were end of line stock and now they're all gone.
Game and Country had them from us so that is likely to be a dead end tooJohn @ Fourteenacre
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I had five mink traps stuck under water for best part of week,when we had all that rain . are they that water proof
The MINKPOLICE trap-monitor is IP67 tested (waterproof down to one meter).
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When I looked into this last year
Three Pay as you go
https://www.three.co.uk/Support/Free_SIM/Order
It charges 1p per data transfer. This leaves you with 60p communication cost per month (assuming two daily notifications). Additionally, you would have to pay 2p per text messages.
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It was developed in Denmark where they can have traps out at long distances, too far to be practical to check every day. It has been used extensively in this country already in the Scottish Islands as part of their mink trapping program. Again the same issue, too much ground to cover and not enough people and it would seem that in that scenario it has been excepted as the daily legal check. This is because it sends a signal twice a day to confirm that it is still active and untriggered, so there is a failsafe.
In most of the UK I see it having a relatively limited trapping application - just situations where you really want to know as soon as possible when your trap has caught. Something like a fox cage in a sensitive semi-public area. The real benefit as I see it is being able to remotely monitor all sorts of rural assets, like stables or out buildings. Knowing when someone opens a gate in the middle of the night.
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Not necessarily true. Suppose for the sake of argument I went to a manufacturer, gave them a bmi 116 and asked them to produce me one 'as cheaply as possible'. What I would end up with might very well look the same but it certainly wouldn't perform the same and not give the same humane results. Now I am NOT saying that all other makes of bgrip are rubbish - that would be nonsense but there clearly does need to be some form of test applied.Thank you John
So surely one type of 110 size bodygrip would be 'equivalent' to another? And it would follow that one type of 116 would be the equiv of another type, and so raises the question of why bother approving the Duke 116 when it is equiv of BMI 116 anyway?
The way things stand at the moment are that either a) you submit it and get DEFRA to test it for you or b ) YOU test it against one that has been Defra tested and approved.
Their test is a first hand test of humaneness. Your test would have to be a technical test of equivalence. Ofcourse if it does meet the equivalence test and passes as a 'clone' how the hell is that not a breach of patent ?
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Can someone remind me where it states that the use of 'clone traps' is legal? Is there a definitive on what constitutes a clone and, more importantly, what doesn't?Yes I can - it's on the STAO. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2012/13/pdfs/uksi_20120013_en.pdf
Section 2 on the first page states:
Approval of Spring Traps
2.—(1) For the purposes of section 8(3) of the Pests Act 1954, the following spring traps are approved, namely—
(a) any spring trap of a type and make specified in any entry in Column 1 of the Schedule; and
(b ) any spring trap which is equivalent in all relevant respects to a spring trap of a type and make specified in any entry in Column 1 of the Schedule
It then goes on to define what equivalent means
(3) For the purposes of paragraph (1)(b ), a spring trap is equivalent in all relevant respects to a spring trap of a type and make specified in the Schedule if it corresponds to the spring trap so specified in construction, in materials, in impact force or momentum, and in all other respects which are relevant to its effect or manner of operation as a trap.
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just remember the amendment is not in effect for a few weeks just a reminder so nobody jumps the gun in excitement
.And only in England
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As I suspected might happen, the official position has now changed. My reading of this now is that they are NOT legal
"Under Sec 2 of the Spring Traps Approval (England) Order 2012, any spring trap which is equivalent in all relevant respects to a spring trap of a type and make specified in any entry in Column 1 of the Schedule, is approved. A spring trap is equivalent in all relevant respects to a spring trap of a type and make specified in the Schedule if it corresponds to the spring trap so specified in construction, in materials, in impact force or momentum, and in all other respects which are relevant to its effect or manner of operation as a trap.
The Victor Conibear 120-2 consists of 2 springs whereas the BMI Magnum 116 consists of only one. The construction of the Victor Conibear 120-2 is therefore at variance to that of the BMI Magnum 116, which means it cannot be regarded as ‘equivalent in all relevant respects’."
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I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet, I think we may see some further 'clarifications' in the coming weeks.
What really puzzles me is why anyone thought it was a good idea to go to the trouble of naming specific 'clone' traps but then NOT to record that anywhere permanent and referenceable.
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If anyone still wants to know the story of why the traps were approved without being Approved, you can now read the article here.
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I agree with unclepesta and have received the same response from Natural England.
There's an article in next weeks Countryman's Weekly which explains a bit more about where the lack of clarity came from and why these traps appeared briefly on a published DEFRA 'list'.
It's worth pointing out that so far I have only had a response from Natural ENGLAND, so the position is unconfirmed for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
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So how much is it ?
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I think what you're describing is also known as a kist trap
Fourteen acre Still going?
in Ferrets & Ferreting
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Thanks Arry, we'll have a look at that but I do know that browsers and software seem to be updating all the time so keep ahead of the security issues, so it might be something to do with that.
If you and / or your mate want a catalogue just pm me an address
Cheers, John