BGD 6,385 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 3 hours ago, gnasher16 said: Im guessing that would be Nikki ?.....of folk who were around in the late 80's who i may occasionally still have a natter with most say she was the best bitch they ever saw. That's the one, fine looking animal with the heart to match. Real shame she never produced, infertile I think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stumfelter 3,032 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, spindolero said: Did General have a bad leg ? Your thinking of my uncle Dave, he had a bad leg and was on the sick for eight weeks. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,814 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, spindolero said: Did General have a bad leg ? Yes, broke his hock as a sapling. Can remember my dad saying he'd thought he'd be no good but ended up owning him later on 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,814 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, foxdropper said: Can you expand on that one mate . Nigger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 10,395 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, BGD said: That's the one, fine looking animal with the heart to match. Real shame she never produced, infertile I think? stunning bitch looks an athlete 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,814 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 Nigger was cinnamons great grandsire on both sides but she carries 43% of his blood. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,385 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, mC HULL said: stunning bitch looks an athlete Always nice when a good one has the looks too 12 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VOON 1,313 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 6 hours ago, gnasher16 said: Im guessing that would be Nikki ?.....of folk who were around in the late 80's who i may occasionally still have a natter with most say she was the best bitch they ever saw. Did that bitch come to Ireland? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 10,395 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 24 minutes ago, BGD said: Always nice when a good one has the looks too stunner mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stop.end 4,079 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 4 hours ago, gnasher16 said: How can it be called line breeding if its 2 different inbred lines............its called what it is.....outcrossing inbred dogs. Lol... because men that know what there doing breed selectivity from 2 inbreds..with the same family tree...but then to a supreme outcross that has the same attributes and family tree in its history.... so now it's line breeding not inbred.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,602 Posted March 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 12 hours ago, VOON said: Did that bitch come to Ireland? She did mate yes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,602 Posted March 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, stop.end said: Lol... because men that know what there doing breed selectivity from 2 inbreds..with the same family tree...but then to a supreme outcross that has the same attributes and family tree in its history.... so now it's line breeding not inbred.... A 6 generation pedigree contains 126 individual dogs.....if none of the 63 dogs on the sires side are the same as the 63 dogs on the dams side how can the resulting dog possibly be considered line bred ? Use the dog pictured Nikki as a perfect example....her sire was Kane who was a double bred Vogan dog....Vogan was an inbred Nigger dog making Kane a very pure family bred dog......her dam was Teela she was an inbred Nelis dog ( father/daughter ).....so Kane was a very pure Mayfield dog and Teela was a very pure Nelis dog....not only were they unrelated on paper they carried totally different traits.....the Mayfield dogs of that time tended to be what most of us called " stupid game ".....ridiculously game animals that had very little else.......the Nelis line on the other hand tended to be hard,durable,high ability finishers but quite often with questionable gameness. The closest common ancestor to each family of dogs was Nigger who was 6 generations behind both lines.....6 generations represents around 1% actual genetic capacity.......both lines stem from the same genetic source but have been bred very differently so to call the end product a " line bred " dog is simply wrong......Nikki was an outcrossed bitch with a shared genetic starting point. Edited March 14, 2023 by gnasher16 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,602 Posted March 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 16 hours ago, mC HULL said: there from the same family tree outcrossing would be going to something that hasn’t any blood the same in it or how i thought lol Just replied to the other chap about virtually the same thing mate 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spindolero 1,109 Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 think i've seen an old pic of MD with a pure wheaton on a treadmill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,814 Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 hours ago, spindolero said: think i've seen an old pic of MD with a pure wheaton on a treadmill He had wheatons Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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