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[Black neck 15,161]

1 hour ago, levigsp said:

Yes, I know that I dont like them 

Is it cos there red

[Deerhunter1 766]

2 hours ago, levigsp said:

I am not getting into a pissing match, I dont need to but I have posted pics on here of my gsps with Reds at over 700lb and retrieving adult Roe Bucks. You you should think about this- I used to course Red deer weighing between 150lb and 350lb with a dog that weighed 70lb so upto 5 time bigger. So to pull an wondered red weighing 700 is not an issue for dogs weighing 100-110lb. But as anyone knows the dog needs bottle and intellect.

 

Are you talking average weights here for stags or hinds?
Also did you have much success on the 350lb reds you talk of with 1 70lb dog?
Im not sure whether you’re talking about dogs actually coursing and pulling deer or dogs following up shot deer?

Edited March 14, 2023 by Deerhunter1

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26 minutes ago, Deerhunter1 said:

Are you talking average weights here for stags or hinds?
Also did you have much success on the 350lb reds you talk of with 1 70lb dog?
Im not sure whether you’re talking about dogs actually coursing and pulling deer or dogs following up shot deer?

I was thinkingbthe same shot deer are alot different then coursed deer 

[Deerhunter1 766]

Just now, Penda said:

I was thinkingbthe same shot deer are alot different then coursed deer 

Think it’s a bit misleading to use words like coursed & pulled if the deers already been shot first. It’s dying from blood loss anyway all the dog needs to do is follow up

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6 minutes ago, Deerhunter1 said:

Think it’s a bit misleading to use words like coursed & pulled if the deers already been shot first. It’s dying from blood loss anyway all the dog needs to do is follow up

Yeah 100% it is misleading and the other thing is by all acounts red deer are pretty fast and I doubt a pointer would catch up to 1 sight hounds can struggle 

[Deerhunter1 766]

7 minutes ago, Penda said:

Yeah 100% it is misleading and the other thing is by all acounts red deer are pretty fast and I doubt a pointer would catch up to 1 sight hounds can struggle 

Id say only way a pointer would catch one would be if it was injured, or if there was a fence or bog involved stopping the deer from getting away

Edited March 14, 2023 by Deerhunter1

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59 minutes ago, Deerhunter1 said:

Id say only way a pointer would catch one would be if it was injured, or if there was a fence or bog involved stopping the deer from getting away

Could just run them up and bay them like a hound does?  

[Deerhunter1 766]

51 minutes ago, Gypsydog94 said:

Could just run them up and bay them like a hound does?  

Only if it could get them to stop which is unlikely, would need to back them up against a deer fence or in to water, but a healthy un-injured red deer would outrun a pointer without too much trouble

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Just now, Deerhunter1 said:

Only if it could get them to stop which is unlikely, would need to back them up against a deer fence or in to water, but a healthy un-injured red deer would outrun a pointer without too much trouble

With out a shadow of a doubt no fenton on the other hand he had the stamina and drive to chase them into the next county

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18 minutes ago, levigsp said:

Right at no point did I say I coursed the big European red deer, what I said was   I have three GSPs, one bred in UK all three will kill foxes, cats, take on Boar and pull down European Red Deer                                                                                                                                                      I then went on to say if a 70lb lurcher successfully coursed our small red deer, why wouldnt an 110lb dog not bring down a European deer that wounded? Now lets clarify some things because some of you talk the talk but dont understand things.

I organise driven big game shoots in Poland, Slovakia and Croatia.                          This consists of 15-20 men with rifles standing between 50 and 150 metres apart and shooting at Boar, Roe does, Red Stags, Hinds and calves. Fallow Bucks and Does, Foxes, Racoon, Racoon dogs, Marten, Badger etc, these are driven in their direction by a team of noisy buggers with their dogs. 

Now some of these guns are good, very good, but others are hopeless! so inevitably a few animals get wounded, especially the faster ones. The very fact that they are not only running but often going away behind the line means they are often wounded in the back leg.

Some of you have no clue how far a red deer or boar will run with a bullet in it.  

When the drive is over tracking dogs are brought into the shot site, mostly Teckels or Gonce, and if the deer is down its finished with shotgun solid slug or knife. If the deer is a runner, a Hpr dog is put onto the scent and it catches and pulls down the deer to stop it going into the next county. In my case that is one of my GSPs, but it can be a Weimaraner, GWP, Deutch Drachtaar,  or some such, speed enough to catch and bottle to pull down and hold. Do not for any second be mistaken into thinking this is easy, its far from it as the deer, boar are very alive and pissed off and would heel. Law says they have to be found.

Now it is nearly 30 years since I ran Deer with long dogs and despite what you all think, I was very successful on all quarry as some on this site well know. I also only ever ran one dog at a time on Deer and Foxes, the reason being at a very early age i saw one lurcher killed and another maimed by running into one another. The only time my dogs  ran together with another was at coursing meets. 

Next I post things on here in gest as per the original post or to try and give people a better understanding of how things were or are now in Europe.  

Some of you seem to hate it when someone else has been anywhere or done anything!

Well let me say I do not apologise for the FACTS! and the facts are, I have hunted with dogs a very long time in one for or another, I've shot with gun and rifle all that time and I've participated in every UK fieldsport. Ive hunted in a lot of countries over 4 continents, and I still do.  I still take clients for more Red, Roe and Sika deer than most of you will see in a life time. I have also guided for all the other UK species. I have also fished a lot!.

So if any of you dont like it, or dont believe me[dream on] I really dont care, if I can help one person it make it worth while and if I can wind a few of you green eyes up, that makes my week.

Nothing like a self ritious motha fucka we are all in your shadows sir 

[Deerhunter1 766]

27 minutes ago, levigsp said:

Right at no point did I say I coursed the big European red deer, what I said was   I have three GSPs, one bred in UK all three will kill foxes, cats, take on Boar and pull down European Red Deer                                                                                                                                                      I then went on to say if a 70lb lurcher successfully coursed our small red deer, why wouldnt an 110lb dog not bring down a European deer that wounded? Now lets clarify some things because some of you talk the talk but dont understand things.

I organise driven big game shoots in Poland, Slovakia and Croatia.                          This consists of 15-20 men with rifles standing between 50 and 150 metres apart and shooting at Boar, Roe does, Red Stags, Hinds and calves. Fallow Bucks and Does, Foxes, Racoon, Racoon dogs, Marten, Badger etc, these are driven in their direction by a team of noisy buggers with their dogs. 

Now some of these guns are good, very good, but others are hopeless! so inevitably a few animals get wounded, especially the faster ones. The very fact that they are not only running but often going away behind the line means they are often wounded in the back leg.

Some of you have no clue how far a red deer or boar will run with a bullet in it.  

When the drive is over tracking dogs are brought into the shot site, mostly Teckels or Gonce, and if the deer is down its finished with shotgun solid slug or knife. If the deer is a runner, a Hpr dog is put onto the scent and it catches and pulls down the deer to stop it going into the next county. In my case that is one of my GSPs, but it can be a Weimaraner, GWP, Deutch Drachtaar,  or some such, speed enough to catch and bottle to pull down and hold. Do not for any second be mistaken into thinking this is easy, its far from it as the deer, boar are very alive and pissed off and would heel. Law says they have to be found.

Now it is nearly 30 years since I ran Deer with long dogs and despite what you all think, I was very successful on all quarry as some on this site well know. I also only ever ran one dog at a time on Deer and Foxes, the reason being at a very early age i saw one lurcher killed and another maimed by running into one another. The only time my dogs  ran together with another was at coursing meets. 

Next I post things on here in gest as per the original post or to try and give people a better understanding of how things were or are now in Europe.  

Some of you seem to hate it when someone else has been anywhere or done anything!

Well let me say I do not apologise for the FACTS! and the facts are, I have hunted with dogs a very long time in one for or another, I've shot with gun and rifle all that time and I've participated in every UK fieldsport. Ive hunted in a lot of countries over 4 continents, and I still do.  I still take clients for more Red, Roe and Sika deer than most of you will see in a life time. I have also guided for all the other UK species. I have also fished a lot!.

So if any of you dont like it, or dont believe me[dream on] I really dont care, if I can help one person it make it worth while and if I can wind a few of you green eyes up, that makes my week.

You didn’t say about a 70lb lurcher coursing small red deer, you said you personally had coursed red deer weighing between 150-350lbs with a 70lb dog. I don’t think anyone is jealous of you because in your own words you packed in lurchers 30 years ago, a lot of people on here are still at it so nothing to be jealous of there. 
How did you get on running the 300lb plus red deer with a single 70lb dog?

Edited March 14, 2023 by Deerhunter1

[Gypsydog94 4,326]

1 hour ago, Deerhunter1 said:

Only if it could get them to stop which is unlikely, would need to back them up against a deer fence or in to water, but a healthy un-injured red deer would outrun a pointer without too much trouble

Seen a terrier stop a red  so wouldn’t doubt a gsp doing it 

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Edited March 18, 2023 by levigsp