Sabotage

[Born Hunter 17,622]

1 hour ago, Nicepix said:

Mechanical failure in three or four places on two seperate pipelines simutaneously?  

This is designed to split the EU. Get countries arguing over supplies, like the vaccines.  

Conversely, if you're going to sabotage a pipeline, why hit it in multiple places? One hit is a mission kill.

Pipelines are buried, normally a couple of meters. To the point mapping their location can be a problematic.

Without going balls deep into studying the specifics, I'd think a direct attack would require specialist ROVs operated from a surface mother ship, and pragmatically an explosive capable of stressing this buried pipeline beyond material yield. Alternatively a military sub with specialist features for this sort of stuff (something the Russians actually specialise in as a greyzone asymmetric tactic). Both would probably be pretty obvious on investigation. Alternatively, a pigging operator could have intentionally sabotaged the pipeline with a pig during normal remedial works. Or much more clandestine, the maximum allowable operating pressure could have been 'altered' in a cyber attack.

Alternatively, pipeline operations have dramatically changed from 'normal' as a result of the pipelines current political status and this has led to a failure. Or even, the Russians intentionally stressed the pipeline through operational procedures.

Do the Russians benefit from this 'unfortunate' throttling of gas supply to Europe? Having plausible deniability to mitigate copping the legal/political backlash of simply turning down the supply.

Edited September 29, 2022 by Born Hunter

[Nicepix 5,650]

56 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Conversely, if you're going to sabotage a pipeline, why hit it in multiple places? One hit is a mission kill.

Pipelines are buried, normally a couple of meters. To the point mapping their location can be a problematic.

Without going balls deep into studying the specifics, I'd think a direct attack would require specialist ROVs operated from a surface mother ship, and pragmatically an explosive capable of stressing this buried pipeline beyond material yield. Alternatively a military sub with specialist features for this sort of stuff (something the Russians actually specialise in as a greyzone asymmetric tactic). Both would probably be pretty obvious on investigation. Alternatively, a pigging operator could have intentionally sabotaged the pipeline with a pig during normal remedial works. Or much more clandestine, the maximum allowable operating pressure could have been 'altered' in a cyber attack.

Alternatively, pipeline operations have dramatically changed from 'normal' as a result of the pipelines current political status and this has led to a failure. Or even, the Russians intentionally stressed the pipeline through operational procedures.

Do the Russians benefit from this 'unfortunate' throttling of gas supply to Europe? Having plausible deniability to mitigate copping the legal/political backlash of simply turning down the supply.

According to an article I read yesterday it is relatively simple to locate the pipeline and lower a device onto it. There were seismic shocks detected that suggests explosives were used. If the pipe corrodes it creates a small leak that can be repaired. Now the pipe will be flooded with sea water making corrosion much more likely. The pipeline may be a write off.

Why? To create a shortage of gas in Europe and take the focus away from the annexing of the four areas by Russia.

[low plains drifter 9,452]

On 28/09/2022 at 11:41, king said:

Stop.end has been drying T bags on the washing line the last 9 months..

Here's a pic of him in Belfast spreading the word..

T bags? 

You should've went to Specsavers 

[Born Hunter 17,622]

36 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

According to an article I read yesterday it is relatively simple to locate the pipeline and lower a device onto it. There were seismic shocks detected that suggests explosives were used. If the pipe corrodes it creates a small leak that can be repaired. Now the pipe will be flooded with sea water making corrosion much more likely. The pipeline may be a write off.

Why? To create a shortage of gas in Europe and take the focus away from the annexing of the four areas by Russia.

I'll have a think about it a bit more. I think locating pipelines is pretty simple, certainly on land (I've done it). The application we were testing was an ROV (sub) mounted marine mapping system, specifically burial depth. I'm just pointing out that for anyone without access to the pipeline, there are probably significant hurdles. But again, I only dipped my toe in pipeline inspection and got out promptly. If it was Russian state sanctioned, then it'd be simple enough to run a pig packed with explosives or just ramp up the operating pressure.

If it was sabotage then I agree, the Russians have the most to gain and the easiest opportunity. It wouldn't be easy for any other party to carry out a clandestine attack.

[green lurchers 16,365]

PRESIDENT BIDEN: If Russia invades that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again. Then there will be, there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.  
REPORTER: But how will you. How will you do that, exactly, since the project and control of the project is within Germany's control?  
BIDEN: We will. I promise you, we'll be able to do it

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

1 hour ago, green lurchers said:

PRESIDENT BIDEN: If Russia invades that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again. Then there will be, there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.  
REPORTER: But how will you. How will you do that, exactly, since the project and control of the project is within Germany's control?  
BIDEN: We will. I promise you, we'll be able to do it

Their telling us in plain English what their plans are but the masses are still scratching their heads wondering who's behind it

Edited September 29, 2022 by Neobliviscaris1776

[Born Hunter 17,622]

Just read up about it and tbf it’s only in 50m of water which is probably diveable for combat divers? So an attack by some other state would be simplified compared to deep water.

[green lurchers 16,365]

2 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

I'll have a think about it a bit more. I think locating pipelines is pretty simple, certainly on land (I've done it). The application we were testing was an ROV (sub) mounted marine mapping system, specifically burial depth. I'm just pointing out that for anyone without access to the pipeline, there are probably significant hurdles. But again, I only dipped my toe in pipeline inspection and got out promptly. If it was Russian state sanctioned, then it'd be simple enough to run a pig packed with explosives or just ramp up the operating pressure.

If it was sabotage then I agree, the Russians have the most to gain and the easiest opportunity. It wouldn't be easy for any other party to carry out a clandestine attack.

Hunters dads string pullers can and blame Russia at same time 

[stop.end 4,079]

15 minutes ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

Their telling us in plain English what their plans are but the masses are still scratching their heads wondering who's behind it

Lol.. hey but it sounds more intelligent if you talk about working on a pipeline.. with abbreviations and everything is a coincidence... we are getting told year on year what their plan is and there that brazen now there doing it in plain sight... we even have men telling us how a slight oversight on a pipe may have caused it...now I'm no pipe welder but I do know that when pipe welding it has to be done to code depending on the pressure then its a set weld coded weld... also the environmental impact this will cause to the sea its marine life and many more implications.... hey locating pipelines on land is simple one of them says...lol.. fek me pink I used to find electricity cables buried for N.I.E. when I worked for them using a cat5 ...

 

[green lurchers 16,365]

5 minutes ago, stop.end said:

Lol.. hey but it sounds more intelligent if you talk about working on a pipeline.. with abbreviations and everything is a coincidence... we are getting told year on year what their plan is and there that brazen now there doing it in plain sight... we even have men telling us how a slight oversight on a pipe may have caused it...now I'm no pipe welder but I do know that when pipe welding it has to be done to code depending on the pressure then its a set weld coded weld... also the environmental impact this will cause to the sea its marine life and many more implications.... hey locating pipelines on land is simple one of them says...lol.. fek me pink I used to find electricity cables buried for N.I.E. when I worked for them using a cat5 ...

 

It’s all part of the green new deal 

[Born Hunter 17,622]

10 minutes ago, stop.end said:

Lol.. hey but it sounds more intelligent if you talk about working on a pipeline.. with abbreviations and everything is a coincidence... we are getting told year on year what their plan is and there that brazen now there doing it in plain sight... we even have men telling us how a slight oversight on a pipe may have caused it...now I'm no pipe welder but I do know that when pipe welding it has to be done to code depending on the pressure then its a set weld coded weld... also the environmental impact this will cause to the sea its marine life and many more implications.... hey locating pipelines on land is simple one of them says...lol.. fek me pink I used to find electricity cables buried for N.I.E. when I worked for them using a cat5 ...

 

Yeah, sorry for daring to question your gangs narrative from a position of a little experience. 

You're no welding expert you say. Pipelines commonly have welding defects. In fact one of the deliverables of pigging is weld inspection and repair.

You found electrical cables did you. Lol, well done.

[Nicepix 5,650]

While nobody can deny what Biden said, there is absolutely no motive for the Yanks to blow up the pipeline. The Russians are selling their gas elsewhere and the main losers are Germany and neighbouring countries.

A statement of intent isn't proof that they did it. Look at what Putin has threatened to do and he hasn't done half of it.

[green lurchers 16,365]

6 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

While nobody can deny what Biden said, there is absolutely no motive for the Yanks to blow up the pipeline. The Russians are selling their gas elsewhere and the main losers are Germany and neighbouring countries.

A statement of intent isn't proof that they did it. Look at what Putin has threatened to do and he hasn't done half of it.

Hunter n jo have gas interests going on few yrs now but jo has no knowledge of deals in fact jo has no knowledge of much really but guessing thers more money to be earned out of Ukraine gas pipes now send in the infrastructure Hillary lol 

Edited September 29, 2022 by green lurchers

[Borr 4,440]

I'm a pipe welder , but haven't really read the topic , I'd imagine the whole lot would've been radiology tested and no defects allowed but who know the EU might've got the cheapest Bulgarian quote in ..or it was found that there was a catastrophic material failure ( pipe from Thailand).. After the world has done this sort of thing for 50 years I'd imagine there's a protocol, so sabatage would be my bet.....at a glance

[Born Hunter 17,622]

4 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

While nobody can deny what Biden said, there is absolutely no motive for the Yanks to blow up the pipeline. The Russians are selling their gas elsewhere and the main losers are Germany and neighbouring countries.

A statement of intent isn't proof that they did it. Look at what Putin has threatened to do and he hasn't done half of it.

If the West attacked Russian infrastructure in international waters then it sets a new normal in the grey zone. Suddenly it’s acceptable for the Russians to attack transatlantic communications cables. Which would cost us billions in lost financial transactions. For what gain, given Europe is already finding other energy supplies.

Russia specialises in this kind of attack and have been using nordstream as a weapon already.