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Nice cut and paste job Sandy :rolleyes:

 

For what it's worth, I'd be happy to see all politicians burn but, let's not forget, if your mob had got their own way we'd be living with Corbyn and Abbott in positions of power ffs.

 

Who brought in University tuition fees to saddle our youngsters with massive debt before they can even get out of the starting blocks?

 

Who sent hundreds of our soldiers to die in the middle East?

 

Who submitted and knelt infront of BLM?

 

Who has been completely unelectable for the last few years?

 

:hmm:

 

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How some people have the audacity to moan that our country is becoming like the third world when they openly welcome the third world into our country is beyond my logic !

They inherited low inflation, low mortgage rates tied to low interest rates. 14k police, but an untold number of illegal and legal immigrants, countering all investment in NHS schools etc. G

Labour were apoplectic with the Tory's planned NI rise....... Now Labour are apoplectic that the planned NI rise is cancelled ! Labours default setting is simply to oppose anything the Tory'

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Mr's last night heading to pick up lad from a birthday party,  "I've forgotten how to drive in a straight line. Avoiding the potholes is like driving a slalom...."

Never forget sandy old chap, it could always be worse 😉

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They inherited low inflation, low mortgage rates tied to low interest rates.

14k police, but an untold number of illegal and legal immigrants, countering all investment in NHS schools etc.

Gave power to devolved government and allowed them to still make decisions on English matters, 

Paternity leave great if you can live on £150 a week.

NHS direct is another desperate attempt to divert services and take heat off of a poorly managed underfunded NHS 

Record number of students that couldn't earn enough to repay debts. And left industries short where everyone did useless degrees.

Free eye tests as Specsavers and boots make the money on glasses.

Cleanest rivers and beaches as industry was all sold off to China and Thatcher shut the mining down , Blair did same for steel..

Everyone got a job in a call centre.

Sold Britain's gold reserves off at the lowest possible denominator, gave the banks an undisclosed sum that will never be released. All filled their coffers , champagne socialists .started war in Iraq to keep bush happy.

Banned hunting with dogs.

Basically caused until damage to the UK , and left us in critical recession for years, Tory's haven't done a great job outside of Covid and brexit. But let's not pretend Blair did Britain any favours.

Introduced gambling in UK on a scale not seen in Europe before utilising internet , infiltrating the most vulnerable in their own homes...TV ads etc.

The list goes on. I don't like either side particularly. But it's naive to believe they've done us favours.....with our own money.

 

 

 

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56 minutes ago, sandymere said:

No, they are pretty much the same tory scum.

But in the  longer term think, who gave you pensions? 

The NHS?,

Free education?

The Wheatley housing act which sarthe building of 500.000 low cost houses,  could do with that now.

Etc

Etc  

Pretty much every decent thing we have.

Who gave you food banks on every street corner?

Who raised pension age and are suggesting raising it even higher?

Fall in police number and rise in crime?

Fall in numbers of nurse, doctors etc and a failing health service?

Housing crisis?

43 billion back hander to mates out of the pocket of all of us?

Lowest growth in the G7?

Tax breaks to banks and big businesses with tax raises to workers?

Etc etc......

Even the worst labour is better than the tories. 

 

Between 1997 and 2010 Labour was continuously in government. Here are Labour’s top 50 achievements during those years.

  1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
  2. Low mortgage rates.
  3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
  4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
  5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
  6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
  7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
  8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
  9. Employment is at its highest level ever.
  10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
  11. 85,000 more nurses.
  12. 32,000 more doctors.
  13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
  14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
  15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
  16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
  17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
  18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
  19. Restored city-wide government to London.
  20. Record number of students in higher education.
  21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
  22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
  23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
  24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
  25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
  26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
  27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
  28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
  29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
  30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
  31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
  32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
  33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
  34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
  35. Banned fox hunting. Not what I'd add to the list.
  36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
  37. Free TV licences for over-75s.
  38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
  39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
  40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
  41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
  42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
  43. Free eye test for over 60s.
  44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
  45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.
  46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
  47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
  48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
  49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
  50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school. 

 

 

I have a few more to add under 'foreign policy'. :whistling:Only small ones :laugh:

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1 hour ago, sandymere said:

No, they are pretty much the same tory scum.

But in the  longer term think, who gave you pensions? 

The NHS?,

Free education?

The Wheatley housing act which sarthe building of 500.000 low cost houses,  could do with that now.

Etc

Etc  

Pretty much every decent thing we have.

Who gave you food banks on every street corner?

Who raised pension age and are suggesting raising it even higher?

Fall in police number and rise in crime?

Fall in numbers of nurse, doctors etc and a failing health service?

Housing crisis?

43 billion back hander to mates out of the pocket of all of us?

Lowest growth in the G7?

Tax breaks to banks and big businesses with tax raises to workers?

Etc etc......

Even the worst labour is better than the tories. 

 

Between 1997 and 2010 Labour was continuously in government. Here are Labour’s top 50 achievements during those years.

  1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
  2. Low mortgage rates.
  3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
  4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
  5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
  6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
  7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
  8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
  9. Employment is at its highest level ever.
  10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
  11. 85,000 more nurses.
  12. 32,000 more doctors.
  13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
  14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
  15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
  16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
  17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
  18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
  19. Restored city-wide government to London.
  20. Record number of students in higher education.
  21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
  22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
  23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
  24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
  25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
  26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
  27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
  28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
  29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
  30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
  31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
  32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
  33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
  34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
  35. Banned fox hunting. Not what I'd add to the list.
  36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
  37. Free TV licences for over-75s.
  38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
  39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
  40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
  41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
  42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
  43. Free eye test for over 60s.
  44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
  45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.
  46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
  47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
  48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
  49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
  50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school. 

 

 

Some things you missed out:

Sold gold at record low after announcing they were going to sell all the gold

Record immigration 

Changing the law to allow the buggery of male children 

13,000 + new laws

Created speech crime (probably the most sinister !) 

Engaged in a complete web of lies in order to start a war in Iraq 

Sold the country’s population to bond traders in Goldman Sacks, Leeman Brothers etc etc etc 

i could go on, but I can’t be arsed 

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1 hour ago, Borr said:

They inherited low inflation, low mortgage rates tied to low interest rates.

14k police, but an untold number of illegal and legal immigrants, countering all investment in NHS schools etc.

Gave power to devolved government and allowed them to still make decisions on English matters, 

Paternity leave great if you can live on £150 a week.

NHS direct is another desperate attempt to divert services and take heat off of a poorly managed underfunded NHS 

Record number of students that couldn't earn enough to repay debts. And left industries short where everyone did useless degrees.

Free eye tests as Specsavers and boots make the money on glasses.

Cleanest rivers and beaches as industry was all sold off to China and Thatcher shut the mining down , Blair did same for steel..

Everyone got a job in a call centre.

Sold Britain's gold reserves off at the lowest possible denominator, gave the banks an undisclosed sum that will never be released. All filled their coffers , champagne socialists .started war in Iraq to keep bush happy.

Banned hunting with dogs.

Basically caused until damage to the UK , and left us in critical recession for years, Tory's haven't done a great job outside of Covid and brexit. But let's not pretend Blair did Britain any favours.

Introduced gambling in UK on a scale not seen in Europe before utilising internet , infiltrating the most vulnerable in their own homes...TV ads etc.

The list goes on. I don't like either side particularly. But it's naive to believe they've done us favours.....with our own money.

 

 

 

The Tory party just carried on where Labour left off…..their strategy was “More and Bigger New Labour”

f**k em all and all who support them !

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Corbyn, Prime Minister.

McDonnell, Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Abbot, Home Secretary.

Lammy, Foreign Secretary.

Brexit reversed.

Unlimited immigration.

No nuclear deterrent.

Leave NATO.

SUpport for terrorism.

Just a snapshot of how it would have been had Labour won in 2019.........

Cheers.

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On here, Sandy is a bit of a one off…..but you have to bare in mind, there’s millions of Sandys in Britain !

Worrying isn’t it ?……they used to have a thing called Red Watch where they published these peoples names and addresses but they made that illegal……and here we are ! 
 

Food for thought huh 🤔 

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4 minutes ago, WILF said:

On here, Sandy is a bit of a one off…..but you have to bare in mind, there’s millions of Sandys in Britain !

Worrying isn’t it ?……they used to have a thing called Red Watch where they published these peoples names and addresses but they made that illegal……and here we are ! 
 

Food for thought huh 🤔 

To be honest I think most vote labour for various reasons.

The main reason up here is "me da and grandad  did, so will I"

Others mistakenly vote Labour because they think Labour is for the working man......they're not, they may have been at one time, but certainly not now. 

Some  vote labour ideologicaly, they want a communist , socialist society where everyone is equal, but it's never worked and allways ends in misery for the working classes.

Im not saying The Torys much better bet, I've said many times they are all shithouses........as Richard Littlejohn said, " give someone power and they will abuse it, give someone absolute power and they will absolutely abuse it".

Any one can cut and paste from biased sources, anything from the Morning Star can be rebutted by quoting from the Mail , and vice versa.

One thing to remember though, unemployment has allways been higher when labour left office, than when it took office.

Cheers.

 

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10 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

To be honest I think most vote labour for various reasons.

The main reason up here is "me da and grandad  did, so will I"

I know loads in sunderland who live in that echo chamber, good enough for me granda, good enough for me da, good enough for me, what a comfy myopic bubble they live in. 

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Can't be arsed reading all @sandymere list but one of them stood out... He blames the Tories for 'housing crisis '. Didn't housing crisis start with labours mass immigration? Tories done little to help but immigration would of increased under Abbott and Corbyn so let's not pretend that housing is a 'tory ' thing.

 

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28 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

Can't be arsed reading all @sandymere list but one of them stood out... He blames the Tories for 'housing crisis '. Didn't housing crisis start with labours mass immigration? Tories done little to help but immigration would of increased under Abbott and Corbyn so let's not pretend that housing is a 'tory ' thing.

 

I had a rather frank conversation with a local lefty nut job in my old town, spouting shit about the green agenda in one breath and then saying we need to build loads more houses in the other……I pointed out to him that each new build house is 60 tons of Co2 before you even switch on a light, the destruction of habitat means that trees and grass and plants can’t sequester carbon which adds to the problem, ground water can’t soak in leading to water shortages etc etc etc

I also mentioned exactly what you have said there that packing in 20 million more people than there should be can’t help.

But this f***ing idiot think if we all ride bikes then alls right with the world ? 
 

These people are dangerous f***ing loons and more so since they implemented laws to stop people voicing truths out loud…..these people don’t want a conversation…..that’s fine, we will just have to do the other thing.

This is how we get to a point where people are throwing other people in ovens……mental !

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Yeah had the same conversation many times. I grew up with one lad, well into his fishing and shooting when we were young. When I was on Facebook (never again it's poison) we started chatting again and it seems he had become a lefty nut job. He started posting about the flooding of villages on the Lancashire plain and of course it was all global warming. I commented that the villages were being flooded as the catchment area of the river was now covered in houses....but no he wouldn't have it. 

Then the new housing estate in our village (now a town) flooded . Again his Facebook was full of his green agenda bollocks . I shared a photo of me and him playing on a lilo floating across the fields when we were kids. The housing estate had flooded in exactly the same spot the farm we grew up on flooded. So then we had the 'people ' need homes argument. I explained all the homes in the villages are bought by people flooding out of Bolton as it's swamped by foreigners. So then we had the 'racist ' argument.

Honestly, usual story, same conversation you can have with a million sandymeres. They are honestly mentally unwell 

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2 hours ago, WILF said:

Some things you missed out:

Sold gold at record low after announcing they were going to sell all the gold

Record immigration 

Changing the law to allow the buggery of male children 

13,000 + new laws

Created speech crime (probably the most sinister !) 

Engaged in a complete web of lies in order to start a war in Iraq 

Sold the country’s population to bond traders in Goldman Sacks, Leeman Brothers etc etc etc 

i could go on, but I can’t be arsed 

The things Sandymere lists are from forty or more years ago. Before Bliar turned Liebour into the red Tories. 

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