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1 hour ago, OldPhil said:

Its curious how we change over the years...ūü§Ē

I remember being brought up, to never put two ferrets in a warren, or,.. they are sure to kill,.. and lie upūüė≤

Back in my Father and Grandfather's day, a rabbit was a welcome addition to the families menu, and nobody wanted to risk losing the fecker...

Every hole would be found and painstakingly covered, with big old Hemp nets..

Woe betide the poor unfortunate , who set a net, only to then have the rabbit, flip out, and escape....talk about a hanging offence!

Dordi dordi, what a fecking carry on....ūü§£

However, time moves on, and we learn more,  we improve our game, and hone our skills,...and forget the sacred script prescribed, by the old time experts..

I often wonder,¬†what my late Father would have thought, if he were to see me dropping,..¬†four¬†or more lively Jill's, into a massive 100 hole bury....‚Ěó

It doesn't hardly bear thinking about....ūüôĄ

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Tis true. The thought of tipping a boxfull of freds into a burrow would've  been considered a recipe for lay ups ,not to mention   obscenely decadent !

We usually only put a second ferret down to hopefully stir things up  if the first one seemed to have stuck. 

In fact most of us only had a ferret or two and anyone who actually owned more than a score of  nets was considered seriously well armed. 

Going out with friends and pooling nets ,ferrets and dogs is great and using long nets is a different sort of game but working alone with purse nets is different. For me anyway. 

   I won't  argue  that it's better than the philosophy of tip em in by sackfull buccaneers , but working solo  l do prefer the slow' n ' steady approach of a single ferret even in quite big burrows. It avoids the embarrasment of trying to deal with too many rabbits bolting at one time or stray  ferrets wrecking nets .  Everything is quieter ,less stressful  and I don't end the day feeling like a harassed housewife who has failed the multi tasking exam. I'm convinced there are less lay ups too. Which on soft shallow buries isn't an issue but when there is six feet of Sussex clay and sandstone between you and a reluctant bolter it is a  "consideration".

And before l reach for the spade l'll see if the second ferret can stir things up.

Just like in the old days when we were so poor that our Mother  used offcuts of  wool to knit us purse nets for our weekend rabbiting trips. Those very same nets actually served double duty as string vests during the week .

   As for ferrets ; we made our own out of pipe-cleaners and poked them down the holes on hazel sticks. 

Though one lad actually had an honest to god stuffed weasel on the end of his pole and nets made from his sister's old fishnet tights.  He unfortunatly lost his weasel but not his enthusiasm for womens' tights  and still performs a specialist caberet  act in a certain type of  Brighton  nightclub. 

And yes l remember the venemous thunderstorm that followed    the sight of thrown meshes and an escaping bunny.

"WHO SET THAT NET!"

It wasn't a question. More of a death-threat.

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Totally forgotten what this threat is aboutūü•ī
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Its curious how we change over the years...ūü§Ē I remember being brought up, to never put two ferrets in a warren, or,.. they are sure to kill,.. and lie upūüė≤ Back in my Father and Grandfather's

Personally,.. I like all types of working ferret, especially if they enjoy their work..ūüėČ ¬† ¬†

Tis true. The thought of tipping a boxfull of freds into a burrow would've  been considered a recipe for lay ups ,not to mention   obscenely decadent ! We usually only put a second ferret down to

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ūü§£ūüėā¬†Ya know,,...when I think about all the thousands of days (and more than a few nights)spent standing, up behind a bury, waiting on that bolt, and of all the crazy events and experiences, that have occurred,...I often ponder that an interesting, informative and fairly unique book, could be penned ..ūü§Ē

At first I used to become sad, at the thought of so many, seemingly wasted¬†years,...but now, I'm not so sureūüėČ

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, OldPhil said:

ūü§£ūüėā¬†Ya know,,...when I think about all the thousands of days (and more than a few nights)spent standing, up behind a bury, waiting on that bolt, and of all the crazy events and experiences, that have occurred,...I often ponder that an interesting, informative and fairly unique book, could be penned ..ūü§Ē

At first I used to become sad, at the thought of so many, seemingly wasted¬†years,...but now, I'm not so sureūüėČ

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That's  a bit serendipitous Phil.

Only a couple of days ago l was talking to a woman  who has a local   gardening business. 

As a kid her happiest days had been spent  pottering on her Grandad's allotment ,growing sunflowers on her own little corner of it and getting wet and muddy.

¬†Despite a successful career in international advertising she's now¬†¬†doing what she loved ¬†as a child¬† . She considers herself lucky to have finally found her way back to her¬† ¬†roots( pun intendedūüôĄ)...

Some of us have been luckier ; no bulging bank balance perhaps  but life hasn't been wasted lf we can look back along an unbroken line of rich memories   .

Are you considering reraising the pen Phil?   

 

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ūüėȬ†Who knows dear Chapūü§Ē

Maybe my mind-set has finally moved on, and maybe I no longer have the passion, for the hunt, within my heart.. 

But,...never say never, eh...ūüôŹ

 

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Over a long number of years the rabbit population within the 100,0000 acres I rabbit on has been dropping ,though at times I questioned if I would be able to " break the back of em". I used a number of different methods & anything else I could think of ,at the time to just get the days work done .Rabbits were nearly everywhere & in good numbers ,once I started ops I found that each area had what Id term a core & the general area was then populated from there .Sadly these days I don't  get enough rabbits to feed  a couple of ferrets .The best I've done so far this year is 6  for the day ,consisting of 3 runners, a sub adult and 1 pair of adults. So  I've had to mix the ferrets diet up by buying some chicken mince ,shooting a few pigeons and the odd trout . So when I  do get a rabbit trapped I don't like to leave it behind ......bugger me ...sometimes you just got to think out side the square ....

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10 hours ago, TOMO said:

so if your not aloud to breed them....and they have to be neutered...and your not aloud to give them away or sell them.....

how are there any legally.....

yes i know "stuff" happens and like you say theres always away.......but legally speaking how are there any domestic ferrets in N.Z..? 

Our so called wild ferrets all at one time came from domestic ferrets that had escaped or had been lost in the early 1900s.We have managed to get our stock from those ferrets . Once they were commonly kept by many to help feed huge families in tuff times, but these days that's no longer required & hunting rabbits holds no interest to our outdoor hunters ,they have bigger game animals to chase .Those that keep ferrets could be counted on two hands now however that's not a bad thing as it requires landowners who are having trouble with rabbits to pay for some form of control. Taking into account that some of these problem areas are now heavily built up means there is a place for ferreting to be valued ,in some cases its the only method that is  expectable  to the general public ,police and local councils. 

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10 hours ago, TOMO said:

when you say cut...you do mean castrated as opposed to a vasectomy ?

Yes Tomo two stone lighter .... a vasectomy buck I call a Vazza 

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Over a long number of years the rabbit population within the 100,0000 acres I rabbit on has been dropping ,though at times I questioned if I would be able to " break the back of em".The best Ive done this year is 6 ,consisting of 3 runners, a sub adult and 1 pair of adults. I used a number of different methods & anything else I could think of ,to just get it done .Rabbits were nearly everywhere & in good number ,once I started ops I found the each area had what Id term a core & the general area was populated from there ,these days I don't  enough rabbits to feed  a couple of ferrets so  I've had to mix their diet up by buying some chicken mince ,shooting a few pigeons and the odd trout . So when I  do get a rabbit trapped I don't like to leave it behind ......bugger me ...sometimes you just got to think out side the square ....

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Is that a Jack rabbit? 

That'll  be an even sillier comment if what looks to me like a car jack on my very scratched phone screen is actually something else.

Full marks for tenacity!

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On 29/03/2022 at 20:22, OldPhil said:

ūüėȬ†Who knows dear Chapūü§Ē

Maybe my mind-set has finally moved on, and maybe I no longer have the passion, for the hunt, within my heart.. 

But,...never say never, eh...ūüôŹ

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I know that feeling: l remember an old  Keeper who borrowed my gun on Beaters' Day  took a fantastically high pheasant with it  and handed it back to me  . " That's  me done " he said. "I've killed enough."   As far as l know he never shot again.

For me the obsessive approach and big numbers has faded into something calmer   .

Far more satifying to take a ferret ,dog  and half a dozen nets and spend a morning   winkling a single bunny from 100 yards of otherwise barren overgrown hedge.

Hunting  ,  with calm tenacity and   cunning , rather than simply harvesting l suppose. 

 Sometimes its  enough to simply note where a couple bunnies might be had ,should they ever be required   . 

The weird thing is my freezer has never been so well stocked!

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12 minutes ago, comanche said:

I know that feeling: l remember an old  Keeper who borrowed my gun on Beaters Day', took a fantastically high pheasant and handed it back to me  . " That's  me done " he said. "I've killed enough."   As far as l know he never shot again.

For me the obsessive approach and big numbers has faded into something calmer   .

Far more satifying to take a ferret ,dog  and half a dozen nets and spending a morning   winkling a single bunny from 100 yards of otherwise barren overgrown hedge.

Hunting  ,  with calm tenacity and   cunning , rather than simply harvesting l suppose. 

 Sometimes its  enough to simply note where a couple bunnies might be had ,should they ever be required   . 

The weird thing is my freezer has never been so well stocked!

There is a whole lot of truth in that sir, only understood by those who have traveled that path.

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We run two teams of cut bucks (hobs) one team of eleven and another team of seven with two does (Jill’s) found the cut bucks don’t fight when they are in season and can work them all year round and can handle them self against a large rabbit. We are lucky enough we are able to drive up to all our warrens so carrying an amount of ferrets we don’t do. Some of our warrens , large wood piles and large sheds and garden beds we do , we can have up to eight ferret in at once. We just put up the nets put the ferrets in and let the mayhem begin. It’s great fun 

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Jills are best JMO. they dont kill as much and can get round rabbits and bolt them. and you dont spend half the day putting nets back.

one thing i hate is digging which i think is from digging to them to quickly and not letting them work the rabbit.

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