THE STIFFMEISTER 14,553 Posted April 14, 2022 Report Share Posted April 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, McVey said: No, sorry. As in the actual guy though ? Not the picture ….. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 23,680 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 Captured Briton is handcuffed and beaten up days after Russian capture WWW.THETIMES.CO.UK A British fighter in Ukraine has been pictured handcuffed and beaten up two days after he... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 19,323 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 Russian warship Moskva has sunk - defence ministry WWW.BBC.COM The warship sunk while being towed a day after it was reported damaged by fire or a Ukrainian... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arry 18,521 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 Seem it sunk now. Russia's Black Sea flagship the Moskva has SUNK, Moscow's defence agency admits | Daily Mail Online WWW.DAILYMAIL.CO.UK The Kremlin's Defence Ministry had been attempting to downplay the damage to the Moskva, saying earlier today the fire has been contained. Cheers Arry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terryd 8,028 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 I reckon Ukraine getting more help than is being let on which makes sense obviously. Russia's pride and joy is over there go and point a couple of these at it. That should do the trick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 19,323 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, terryd said: I reckon Ukraine getting more help than is being let on which makes sense obviously. Russia's pride and joy is over there go and point a couple of these at it. That should do the trick Makes you wonder if it was the Ukrainian Neptune missile or something else that did this ship over ... /media/cache/images/images/article/45143777/bf5cdeedc2dc84293a7fe5e3b22766cc.jpg UK to supply Ukraine with unspecified anti-ship missiles WWW.SHEPHARDMEDIA.COM The UK has announced it will supply Ukraine with anti-ship missiles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,622 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, kanny said: Makes you wonder if it was the Ukrainian Neptune missile or something else that did this ship over ... /media/cache/images/images/article/45143777/bf5cdeedc2dc84293a7fe5e3b22766cc.jpg UK to supply Ukraine with unspecified anti-ship missiles WWW.SHEPHARDMEDIA.COM The UK has announced it will supply Ukraine with anti-ship missiles. I’ve read into this when it was announced. Unfortunately the UKs anti ship missile options are a bit lacking. For small small enemy ships (fast attack up to corvette) we have a number of either operational or well developed options, sea venom/sea spear/martlet. But in the heavyweight category we only have the obsolete harpoon, with any home grown replacement 10 years away from being operational! It’s a bit of a sore point. Harpoon seems to be on par with Neptune. For land attack the RAF have the storm shadow, and in good numbers, but that is not designed to target ships. Now that’s not to say the likes of DSTL or the like haven’t worked on some sort of bodge quietly for desperate times. It’d certainly explain the MoDs seemingly mad capability holiday… So it seems a bit of a head scratcher as to what the UK could have provided them in this instance other than old fashioned tactical and technical ingenuity. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,622 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 26 minutes ago, terryd said: I reckon Ukraine getting more help than is being let on which makes sense obviously. Russia's pride and joy is over there go and point a couple of these at it. That should do the trick From a weapons product development point of view, it’s a perfect field test opportunity. If successful it’s a great story for sales and marketing. Despite left wing scoffs to the contrary, the UK is visibly front and centre on the world stage with supporting Ukraine. Standing by our obligations of the Budapest memorandum and standing by a nation we had deals with bolsters soft power. It makes other nations looking to align with a global power value the UK. If they enter a trade deal with us they are confident we will provide some muscle if things get a bit hot for them. If they are looking for guarantor’s for a treaty it puts the UK higher up the list and so we can leverage that to our advantage. And finally, Russia are a regional adversary, this is a good opportunity to degrade their military and test their real capability. There’s a reason NATO intelligence planes have been flying intensively since the first signs of this and it’s not just to provide actionable intel to Ukraine. They’ll be soaking up everything they can to help expand their databases of weapons signatures etc to better develop our own tactics and technology. Rightly or wrongly. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,191 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 51 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: I’ve read into this when it was announced. Unfortunately the UKs anti ship missile options are a bit lacking. For small small enemy ships (fast attack up to corvette) we have a number of either operational or well developed options, sea venom/sea spear/martlet. But in the heavyweight category we only have the obsolete harpoon, with any home grown replacement 10 years away from being operational! It’s a bit of a sore point. Harpoon seems to be on par with Neptune. For land attack the RAF have the storm shadow, and in good numbers, but that is not designed to target ships. Now that’s not to say the likes of DSTL or the like haven’t worked on some sort of bodge quietly for desperate times. It’d certainly explain the MoDs seemingly mad capability holiday… So it seems a bit of a head scratcher as to what the UK could have provided them in this instance other than old fashioned tactical and technical ingenuity. I love all these names……”Harpoon”, “Sea Venom”…… I think I may change my name to “Storm Shadow”……that would be amazing ! Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,622 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, WILF said: I love all these names……”Harpoon”, “Sea Venom”…… I think I may change my name to “Storm Shadow”……that would be amazing ! Lol Warspite still makes me tingle. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,191 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Warspite still makes me tingle. I am going to announce “I am the storm !” Every time I enter any room or building ! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
green lurchers 16,368 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 Any Nukes on the sunken warship ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
big sid 1,118 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, WILF said: I am going to announce “I am the storm !” Every time I enter any room or building ! make a change from announcing yourself as barrymores fudge packer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,622 Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 23 minutes ago, green lurchers said: Any Nukes on the sunken warship ? Unlikely to be declared if there was. The anti ship missiles it was armed with could be fitted with either nuclear or conventional warheads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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