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15 minutes ago, TOMO said:

chaps forgive my ignorance ...but whats this council tax rebate....what criteria do you need to be eligible ...and how much is it  

Different councils have different rules sedgemoor are giving DD customers it off each month and have still not "worked out" how monthly card customers will get theirs yet. Bristol monthly cards customers had to apply for it.    

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What I find amazing is that considering some of the truly dark things that happen in our country ...... the thing which had stirred up the populace to question the government, that has riled up all th

I subscribe to the "Ceasars Wife" idiom; If you are in a posistion of power, or able to influence those in power, you must be above suspicion ! If the government are flouting rules and laws

And there you have it……the level of utter nonsense the everyday bloke has been reduced too !   I listened to leader of the gang once at a school disco, should I now be associated with Gary Glit

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2 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

I think WILF meant that people were doing overtime and only earning an extra 20 quid because of the extra tax. I found that when I worked cards in on a farm for more or less minimum wage.....you would do stupid hours extra overtime at lambing or silaging and be buzzing waiting for the pay packet only to realise it really wasn't worth it. Do you pay more tax on overtime hours? I'm not sure

Sort of agree with the food banks. I think it's lack of intelligence that causes it in some people. They really can't work out that they are paying for so many 'extras'....expensive phone contracts, Netflix, takeaways, expensive pets, interest on credit cards etc. They also don't have the intelligence or knowledge to go down the markets and buy/Cook proper food, everything has to be processed for them. I always offered free pheasants and fish on local Facebook groups as I saw it as being a good for fieldsports.....but nobody was interested in free unprossessed food. 

I've also donated my time to food banks and soup kitchens, it was a few years ago so it may have changed....but I wasn't over impressed by the majority of the service users. Again that may have changed 

No you would pay the same tax rate unless you go above the higher threshold, which kind of defeats Wilfs argument because they must be on a shit hot wage so should really pay extra or the rich getting richer argument kicks in, or does that only count for certain parts of our society?

We have a couple here that wont work because they say o/t only gives them x amount per hour what they dont work out is they are earning less than that on their basic hourly rate they dont see beyond the standard weeks pay. In simplistic terms say they take home £10 a hr/40hrs £400 they then work 2 hours at £15 take home £30 so take home £430, they say the extra £30 isnt worth them staying because its just £30 !!!!! Like everything else its their choice and I fully appreciate they might not think working 2 hrs over and above their normal week is worth it but you cant claim victim status when you can make things easier for yourself.           

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1 hour ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

See I agree with some of what you say but really what sort of tax rate means you only earn £20 a day ? And even if that was the case I would rather earn £20 and feed my family than go to a food bank, but that's just me. 

I don't think I said users of foodbanks use them for the "kudos" either but I do believe that for many its a easier option than "cutting back" and has become the acceptable norm, I would rather cancel my netflix that use a food bank but again that's just me.

I enjoy your posts but do get confused at them at times, you bang the drum for the old times, patriotism and taking control over your own future and then appear to argue against it.

Remember claiming victim status because of the cost of living and a persons situation can be viewed as the same as using it for immigration argument Wilf!     

My attitude to stuff can be summed up quiet simply mate, be kind to your own.

It hard to have a decent conversation via the written word, so much gets lost and it comes across like I’m having a go at people all the time when I’m really not…..it’s just a chin wag so to speak.

I know lots of people do it but I’m always very uneasy with kicking those at the bottom when those at the top are such c**ts……not everyone is cut from the same cloth mate, that’s why there are people who start companies and people who work for companies.

I’m all for taking control of your own future, I spent almost my entire working life working for myself, employing lads, 7 days a week and all that old bollocks….I was working for myself at 14 out on the knocker selling dusters and dish cloths and shit like that, that’s when I was expelled.

But I know enough to know not everything is black and white, it’s not always a question of “get a job you lazy c**t” ……the deck is stacked against people anyway and for some that will always be a bridge too far through no fault of their own, it’s just how god made them 👍

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On another note, I have always said this is the main problem with the welfare system, enforced charity is no charity at all imho

Dint get me wrong, I think there should be a safety net for people, 100% but when ordinary folks are getting the life wrung out of them for every little thing it creates a “them & us” type culture.

In reality, the welfare cost is absolutely minuscule when you take into account all the other stuff the government iron our money out on but they always want to point folks in the direction of the poor c**t who is trying to keep a family alive on £300 a week !

And of course, it’s a natural reaction for the bloke who is knocking his bollocks out for a monkey and having very little left at the end of the week to get angry about that…..but, and it’s jmho, he is looking in the wrong direction.

 

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This is quiet an interesting number, the Ukraine thing has been going on what ? 3 months ?

The U.K. has given them so far £850 MILLION in various type of aid……that’s £850 MILLION of YOUR money.

Sort of knocks the poor c**t down the food bank begging a can of beans into a cocked hat really don’t it ;) 

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27 minutes ago, WILF said:

This is quiet an interesting number, the Ukraine thing has been going on what ? 3 months ?

The U.K. has given them so far £850 MILLION in various type of aid……that’s £850 MILLION of YOUR money.

Sort of knocks the poor c**t down the food bank begging a can of beans into a cocked hat really don’t it ;) 

Interesting point and I  suppose its all relative.

There's a very close relation of mine and his wife who both get PIP, a brand new car every 3 years (they even pay for upgrades on the motor) he got food parcels delivered when the lockdown was on and gets food vouchers. He will get the £600 fuel thing, don't pay any council tax gets help with the rent on his 3 bed house (just him and his wife) and are both claiming enough to be able to have two holidays a year in fact he's said he's better off now than he ever been, 53 not worked for 10years and has no intention of ever going back to work...............thats just one individual of many who's claiming YOUR money he's claiming as well!

Ukrainians are having their country blown to bits loosing their homes and loved ones and have very little option at the moment other than up sticks and leave with the belongings they can carry or stand and fight for their freedom. Now that's a proper "living crisis" Wilf.

Saying that, and this is going to sound horrible, I would still prefer my money didn't go to them but I would also prefer it didn't go to people in this country who wont give up their SKY subscriptions and latest iphones because they need it for their mental well being but plead poverty at every opportunity.     

I don't get it Wilf, don't you think if we stopped the current benefit system in its current format immigration would take a nose dive?  

     

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Benefits cost the UK tax payers £212 BILLION per year.

Thats 25% of the entire tax take.

Of course, there are people who need the safety net of benefits, but lets be honest, we all know people who are cheating the system.

What annoys me is when a politician cheats the system, it's barely a slap on the wrist.

The punishment for cheating the benefit system is far more severe !

C'est la vie......

Cheers.

 

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38 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Interesting point and I  suppose its all relative.

There's a very close relation of mine and his wife who both get PIP, a brand new car every 3 years (they even pay for upgrades on the motor) he got food parcels delivered when the lockdown was on and gets food vouchers. He will get the £600 fuel thing, don't pay any council tax gets help with the rent on his 3 bed house (just him and his wife) and are both claiming enough to be able to have two holidays a year in fact he's said he's better off now than he ever been, 53 not worked for 10years and has no intention of ever going back to work...............thats just one individual of many who's claiming YOUR money he's claiming as well!

I look at it like this mate, that bloke could be getting a million quid a week for all I care, it’s completely meaningless to me and I wouldn’t have seen one penny back if he was getting nothing…..good luck to him.

38 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Ukrainians are having their country blown to bits loosing their homes and loved ones and have very little option at the moment other than up sticks and leave with the belongings they can carry or stand and fight for their freedom. Now that's a proper "living crisis" Wilf.

I agree totally, but my point was money has no meaning…..wether we give the Ukraine 10 zillion quid or a pound, they will still pull the arse out of us anyway…..same as your mate, what he gets means nothing.

38 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Saying that, and this is going to sound horrible, I would still prefer my money didn't go to them but I would also prefer it didn't go to people in this country who wont give up their SKY subscriptions and latest iphones because they need it for their mental well being but plead poverty at every opportunity.

 


I don't get it Wilf, don't you think if we stopped the current benefit system in its current format immigration would take a nose dive?  

     

I can only ask why you’d prefer that mate ?

Is it just because you don’t like it or is it because you think it actually has a direct effect on you ? 
 

In answer to the second bit, my answer is No !, I don’t think it would take a nose dive because they are being imported here on purpose to replace us.

If we wanted to stop immigration would could do it tomorrow, at the border with no problem what so ever…..benefits wouldn’t even figure.

All jmho of course mate 👍

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19 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Benefits cost the UK tax payers £212 BILLION per year.

Thats 25% of the entire tax take.

Of course, there are people who need the safety net of benefits, but lets be honest, we all know people who are cheating the system.

What annoys me is when a politician cheats the system, it's barely a slap on the wrist.

The punishment for cheating the benefit system is far more severe !

C'est la vie......

Cheers.

 

Does that number include the NHS mate ?

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Here’s a question I sometimes ask people when we get on the subject of benefits recipients etc

Would you be happy to see them pay zero tax and keep all the money they can earn if it meant they could be taken off benefits ?

I personally would but I’d be interested to see what others think.
 

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1 minute ago, chartpolski said:

No, just benefits and social security, the NHS is a seperate budget as far as I'm aware.

Cheers.

I think the NHS is about 190 billion a year, so if 212 is 25% then that means nearly half the tax take is just NHS and Welfare ? 
Is that about right ? 
 

That’s don’t ring right to me mate, does it you ? 

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@chartpolski, I just looked up mate…..half of the welfare spending is on State pensions, then disabled, sick etc etc

I don’t suppose we would regard anyone getting a pension as a dosser and I’m sure they wouldn’t think of themselves as one either.

The devil is in the detail as you know mate. 

 

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2 minutes ago, WILF said:

@chartpolski, I just looked up mate…..half of the welfare spending is on State pensions, then disabled, sick etc etc

I don’t suppose we would regard anyone getting a pension as a dosser and I’m sure they wouldn’t think of themselves as one either.

The devil is in the detail as you know mate. 

 

I never said any thing different, or called anyone a dosser, I'm just speaking from personal experience of people I know quite well.

Pensions and pension credits come under Social Security, same as dole money or sick money.

What percentage of benefit recipients are signed off the dole and onto the sick, claiming "depression and anxiety", "bad backs" etc.

It just moves people from the "unemployed" numbers, and onto the "sick" numbers, but all the money comes out of the social security pot and it doesn't change the actual numbers of people out of work and claiming benefits.

Just to be clear.....I've nothing against people claiming benefits.

Cheers.

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26 minutes ago, WILF said:

I think the NHS is about 190 billion a year, so if 212 is 25% then that means nearly half the tax take is just NHS and Welfare ? 
Is that about right ? 
 

That’s don’t ring right to me mate, does it you ? 

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Looks like Health and social security take up almost half the tax spend.

Cheers.

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