Surprise, surprise !

[sandymere 8,260]

4 hours ago, mC HULL said:

bollocks it was happening 20 year ago under labour in power and who bankrupted the country with war sandy  you cant be  that stupid mate you dont relise it was labour f****d us with war iot takes decades to bounce bgack from that ?

So the banking crash was labour's fault ,  that's what bankrupted us not war, we make money from war which is one of the main problems in the  world  today. The tories have doubled the national debt whilst driving us down to a 3rd world country. Labour invested in public services which drove growth and wages along with a decent infrastructure. The tories have torn it down. 

[mC HULL 10,404]

3 minutes ago, sandymere said:

So the banking crash was labour's fault ,  that's what bankrupted us not war, we make money from war which is one of the main problems in the  world  today. The tories have doubled the national debt whilst driving us down to a 3rd world country. Labour invested in public services which drove growth and wages along with a decent infrastructure. The tories have torn it down. 

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you like reading pasted stuff sandy theres no money left  after labour had been in charge and why 

 

 

[mC HULL 10,404]

and war does make money proberly why blairs sat on 50million plus when he earned 150k a year in office 

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[sandymere 8,260]

5 hours ago, WILF said:

Of course we are becoming the slums of Europe, that is the model we have embraced and adopted !

It's the model embraced by the tories,  turn us into the  sweat shop of Europe. Poorer wages, lower standards etc. 

 

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[mackem 23,680]

11 minutes ago, sandymere said:

 whilst driving us down to a 3rd world country. 

UK is the far end of the spectrum from a 3rd world country, but the more 3rd world unskilled low expectation asylum seekers allowed in the closer it will edge to that level. 

[low plains drifter 9,459]

On 24/11/2021 at 15:39, stumfelter said:

With things like this going on, migrants having free rein to enter And the NHS basically on its arse among other things does the panel ever think that a time will come when the average joes of this country decide enough is enough and if so how and what will this entail?

I reckon the migrants have more will, as well as support than the majority of the benign natives, and dossers, we've been steered into submission,and dereliction, and have lost all sense of purpose through the closure and mass reduction of industries, sea fishing, coal mines, shipyards, mills etc, and consumption of life draining empty calorie junk foods courtesy of drive thru food outlets etc which has led to the erosion of communities and breakdown of society, we can be cornholed without resistance, and on, and on

[Nicepix 5,650]

1 hour ago, SheepChaser said:

Again I think you missed my point.

What I said was - in answer to one possible reason why the police struggle to get convictions with these Pakistani grooming gangs is unlike an individual abuser they are effectively an organised crime group which specialises in child grooming (amongst other things). It makes it harder to infiltrate etc I would assume.

it’s called critical thinking. It’s how we move forward and work out how to beat stuff. 
 

We don’t need to argue if Pakistani grooming gangs are good or bad. They are bad. We also don’t need to argue about whether we should let them in or not.... they are already here and a problem. We need to work out what it is about our system which means this can happen and we struggle to prosecute and remove them. 
 

Please don’t think that because I am interested in academic discussion that I don’t think they are scum and want them gone. 
 

 

You are spot on. The evidence required bg CPS to bring charges is very hard to find given the closed nature of the suspects and the quality of evidence and status of the victims and witnesses. And, as they are second or third generation from the original immigrants they cannot be deported even if convicted. 

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11 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

You are spot on. The evidence required bg CPS to bring charges is very hard to find given the closed nature of the suspects and the quality of evidence and status of the victims and witnesses. And, as they are second or third generation from the original immigrants they cannot be deported even if convicted. 

They can be deported if they have dual nationality and have kept their paki passports, but they won't be, the left wing lawyers will see to that.

Cheers.

[Nicepix 5,650]

33 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

They can be deported if they have dual nationality and have kept their paki passports, but they won't be, the left wing lawyers will see to that.

Cheers.

Yes, in theory. But, as you say the legal situation has yet to be tested. And Pakistan could simply refuse to accept passport holders who were not born in the country or spent any meaningful time there.

[WILF 44,190]

2 hours ago, sandymere said:

It's the model embraced by the tories,  turn us into the  sweat shop of Europe. Poorer wages, lower standards etc. 

 

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Ohh, leave off…..every main party in Britain is up-to its neck in guilt for this crime against the British people ! 
Jesus Christ, you are pretty fond of calling everyone else extremists…..have a listen to yourself sometimes mate ! 

[paulus 26]

On 24/11/2021 at 14:37, mackem said:

I spent enough time in Pakistan to realise its the truth a long, long time ago

Man love Thursday

[Nicepix 5,650]

There is a very fine line to be trod here. Anybody who has enjoyed going out for an Indian or Chinese meal, had a pizza or burger delivered, supports a football team with foreign players, etc, etc is accepting some foreign culture as part of the British way of life. But when the line of law is crossed then it gets more complicated. Catholic priests and nuns abusing children is just as abhorrent as Pakistani sex grooming gangs. Both predate on vulnerable children yet one is publically hated and the other seems to have been shrugged off as an insignificant part of British and Irish culture. Paedophile hunters snare plenty of British perverts yet little is made of this. Brits settle in Thailand and the Philiipines to harvest young people for sex and it goes unreported.  It is easy to blame foreigners for all our problems yet the hospitals are full of them; surgeons, consultants, nurses....... whilst Dwaine and Chardonnay won't get off their fat arses, put down their mobiles and look for a job. 

It isn't as black and white as some people would have us believe. 

[hambone 948]

5 hours ago, sandymere said:

So the banking crash was labour's fault ,  that's what bankrupted us not war, we make money from war which is one of the main problems in the  world  today. The tories have doubled the national debt whilst driving us down to a 3rd world country. Labour invested in public services which drove growth and wages along with a decent infrastructure. The tories have torn it down. 

Was it not the Labour party who started the privatization of the NHS?

[WILF 44,190]

2 hours ago, Nicepix said:

There is a very fine line to be trod here. Anybody who has enjoyed going out for an Indian or Chinese meal, had a pizza or burger delivered, supports a football team with foreign players, etc, etc is accepting some foreign culture as part of the British way of life. But when the line of law is crossed then it gets more complicated. Catholic priests and nuns abusing children is just as abhorrent as Pakistani sex grooming gangs. Both predate on vulnerable children yet one is publically hated and the other seems to have been shrugged off as an insignificant part of British and Irish culture. Paedophile hunters snare plenty of British perverts yet little is made of this. Brits settle in Thailand and the Philiipines to harvest young people for sex and it goes unreported.  It is easy to blame foreigners for all our problems yet the hospitals are full of them; surgeons, consultants, nurses....... whilst Dwaine and Chardonnay won't get off their fat arses, put down their mobiles and look for a job. 

It isn't as black and white as some people would have us believe. 

And there it is…….exactly as suspected !

 

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[mackem 23,680]

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