Dogs throwing the towel in and breeding.

[Greb147 6,795]

4 minutes ago, trigger2 said:

Your using the same blood both ways so the decks pretty much stacked the same.

So you're breeding brother and sister now?

[Ferretman65 1,244]

2 hours ago, SheepChaser said:

Interesting thoughts ......

Just for the record I’ve never bred a litter of Lurchers in my life ...... and the only bitches I have in my kennels are 13 and 6 months I had one dog I thought was worth breeding off, a cracker, and I waited until she was a ‘proper’ age and lined her, she was dead shortly after. Pretty much regretted not breeding her earlier and getting some pups on the ground. It left us with one animal out of that litter left which we bred (don’t worry she was five ) and that’s mam to my pup.

 

Anyway I digress. I see plenty of folk advocating using certain dogs of the right age on here and in general but which have probably not done a huge amount. I know dogs half their age who have done far far more. For arguments sake we aren’t talking rabbits, but let’s say a fox dog. Which is more tested - a six year old dog which has 5 seasons, 4 of which they have caught Charlie, maybe 10 to 20 a season. Another dog had only had three good seasons on them but owner has put the miles and time in, and killed 50-100 a season single handed. Which one is more tested and worth breeding off and which is more likely to jack the following season ?

Has anyone seen a decent fox dog that did good numbers first three seasons but then jacked in later life with no other excuse than heart ?
 

I think if it like terriers - there are lads digging a dog 100 times a season and lads digging a dog 20 times. Does that make age irrelevant ?  
 

 

A fox Dog is only as good as hes last fox a old lad use to say he could pack it in the next one you just don't know dogs 

[SheepChaser 7,557]

5 minutes ago, Ferretman65 said:

A fox Dog is only as good as hes last fox a old lad use to say he could pack it in the next one you just don't know dogs 

Yer I get tht to a point but at what point would you be happy breeding ? And is it always age or more numbers ? Genuine question 

[baker boy 8,881]

28 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

One thing you can say about Nuttall, he used to take jackers back and offer you another dog. 

And then sell the jacker on hoping the next customer didnt expect too much from a dog, a bitch called Root back in the 90s at least 6 UK owners then sold abroad to clueless foreigner

[Greb147 6,795]

2 minutes ago, baker boy said:

And then sell the jacker on hoping the next customer didnt expect too much from a dog, a bitch called Root back in the 90s at least 6 UK owners then sold abroad to clueless foreigner

That I don't know. Don't believe he would sell on a rejected cold dog but you learn something new every day. 

 

[baker boy 8,881]

1 minute ago, Greb147 said:

That I don't know. Don't believe he would sell on a rejected cold dog but you learn something new every day. 

 

Take it from me mate it happened, 3 of my mates owned it not knowing the others had, they all returned it and it ended up in Hurricane kennels on the continent

[Daniel cain 30,526]

30 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

One thing you can say about Nuttall, he used to take jackers back and offer you another dog. 

What did he do with all the jackers.. 

Every dog has a breaking point...seen plenty fail..but a change of owner,proper rest,good grub, exercise and some never put a foot wrong again..some folks will always end up with jackers/shit dogs.. because they just don't have a clue..some will always get the best from a dog,they know to work to their strengths,they will know when it's had enough or will go again-they not concerned about what others may say or think...those same folks will also tell you the faults of said animal(they all have them)...I've met one or two over the yrs but they ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN..IMO it's just best ,that  you just be honest with yourself and anyone who's getting one...the rest then is down to the man holding the lead

[Penda 2,505]

I cant be bothered to read 7 pages but here's my little in put, all I can say is the answer is in the eye of the beholder if you've had a dog 5 or 6 years and you think it's what you want weither is jacked or not as long as your not telling wild stories and telling people it's the best dog in world and you want to breed off it for your own reasons crack on but it's when people tell stories make the dog sound like it's the bees knees I think that's where the line has to be drawn me personally I would breed something unless I knew it was what I wanted and suited me never mind any body else 

[Greb147 6,795]

Just now, baker boy said:

Take it from me mate it happened, 3 of my mates owned it not knowing the others had, they all returned it and it ended up in Hurricane kennels on the continent

Wouldn't surprise me, you just look at the way the dogs ended up. 

Either he had something good gifted to him and he slowly killed the line by not following the standards of his predecessors or he got too old and let money rule over quality. 

Whatever the excuse, his later dogs were not of the same quality of his early stuff. 

Still, he put the black un's on the map like no other. 

[Greb147 6,795]

3 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

What did he do with all the jackers.. 

Every dog has a breaking point...seen plenty fail..but a change of owner,proper rest,good grub, exercise and some never put a foot wrong again..some folks will always end up with jackers/shit dogs.. because they just don't have a clue..some will always get the best from a dog,they know to work to their strengths,they will know when it's had enough or will go again-they not concerned about what others may say or think...those same folks will also tell you the faults of said animal(they all have them)...I've met one or two over the yrs but they ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN..IMO it's just best ,that  you just be honest with yourself and anyone who's getting one...the rest then is down to the man holding the lead

Some dogs are born cold though, it is what it is. 

Again, you can't always polish a turd. 

[lurchers 2,442]

2 hours ago, W. Katchum said:

Another thing that tickles me is the amount of folk who suggest a dog for someone to use over there bitch, but chances are they never saw the dog work, an prob never saw bitch either

That’s happens quite a lot on here but like I said it’s up to the person with the bitch,if they like your dog and does it do the job.And guess what I got twisted at only on the hunting life.You can get good dogs off grafters and off non worker’s you take ya chance in all.No ifs no buts but everyone keeps saying worker to worker and in the terriers I’ve proved that’s bollocks off kc stuff that’s never never seen a hole.I’m one of these if I’ve seen the parents work and they do what I like I would take a chance on a pup,even though the pups can and do fail.If it’s off non grafters and they are the true breed I want I will buy the pup as though my working life I’ve seen good and average in all.

[lurchers 2,442]

11 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

What did he do with all the jackers.. 

Every dog has a breaking point...seen plenty fail..but a change of owner,proper rest,good grub, exercise and some never put a foot wrong again..some folks will always end up with jackers/shit dogs.. because they just don't have a clue..some will always get the best from a dog,they know to work to their strengths,they will know when it's had enough or will go again-they not concerned about what others may say or think...those same folks will also tell you the faults of said animal(they all have them)...I've met one or two over the yrs but they ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN..IMO it's just best ,that  you just be honest with yourself and anyone who's getting one...the rest then is down to the man holding the lead

Know what ya mean mate seen it plenty,the dog is your tool and they are like athletes they can’t give 100% all the time.Some people think when it pulls a mussel or ligament or it looks heeled after a week it’s ready to go again,they never think the dog is still sore from its injury then wonder why it jacks.I can’t see any athlete trying to run or jump after a week of been payed up.

[Daniel cain 30,526]

2 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Wouldn't surprise me, you just look at the way the dogs ended up. 

Either he had something good gifted to him and he slowly killed the line by not following the standards of his predecessors or he got too old and let money rule over quality. 

Whatever the excuse, his later dogs were not of the same quality of his early stuff. 

Still, he put the black un's on the map like no other. 

Money gets to them all in the end greb..your names in everyone's mouth,and everyman wants something from you....you would fall over if you knew what some folk are peddling

 

2 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

 

 

[Ferretman65 1,244]

31 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

Yer I get tht to a point but at what point would you be happy breeding ? And is it always age or more numbers ? Genuine question 

I don't think there is an answer ever one is different ways doing there dogs iam happy enough breeding a dog 2 in a half or three years we have Bred dogs at 3 and 4 years old and after that they Jack it but pups were ok u have ask a question every one is going to have a different opinion on this I don't have the answer mate just my opinion ps I've had lurchers for 50 years now like alot of boys on this site 

[Bearfoot 1,468]

I was standing way a guy one night way a little bitch called gypsey now she just killed 4 hares and a roe buck daytime having been gifted to my mate on trail she could kill anything that moved now the person who was in our company says I was out way a good dog last night it killed 3 hares some guys wouldent give you credit if you won the lottery it's the dog game it's just the way it's always been I love seeing better dogs than my own most are anyway