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1 minute ago, sid g said:

heres another thought do you take a pup off 2 working parents with 3 seasons behind them or 2 parents that have never grafted  but have 6 generations of workers in the breeding . 

I’d wait for a pup with 6 generations a grafters an grafting parents 😂

 

im messing mate, we all different some hold blood higher than graft some other way an some wouldn’t separate them, iv had first crosses, lurcher to lurcher, line bred dogs all in the past an tbh I think there is a definite difference in most. But I do honestly belive that if your breeding them your best of going back to same, if you really need outcross to add speed, feet, height or anything else maybe your not breeding off what you want, maybe start with what you want an you’ll get it quicker 👍

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5 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

Why beat about the bush 😂 what’re who you getting at 😁

Nobody in particular mate. I was just seeing if folk were still capable of having an actual discussion with various opinions without it just being a slanging match. 

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27 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

Mate if that’s what folk wanna do, an look on the selling pages it deffo happens 😂 then that’s upto them, it’s just doing that an lying about it that grips my shite. Like I said if you wanna breed but need to justify it, then maybe you shouldn’t 😂 but if you do, so what?? They yours but just ne honest about the pups an parents 😁

Oh I agree but wears the fun in that

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Just now, SheepChaser said:

Nobody in particular mate. I was just seeing if folk were still capable of having an actual discussion with various opinions without it just being a slanging match. 

Och fcuk off then ye boring Cnut 😂

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3 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

Another thing that tickles me is the amount of folk who suggest a dog for someone to use over there bitch, but chances are they never saw the dog work, an prob never saw bitch either 😁

Yes that’s very common here - “if you’re looking for x cross I would go to xx dog 100%” and they’ve never even seen the dog in the flesh. Makes it more awkward reading if you have seen it go, or not as the case may be 😂 

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1 minute ago, W. Katchum said:

I’d wait for a pup with 6 generations a grafters an grafting parents 😂

 

im messing mate, we all different some hold blood higher than graft some other way an some wouldn’t separate them, iv had first crosses, lurcher to lurcher, line bred dogs all in the past an tbh I think there is a definite difference in most. But I do honestly belive that if your breeding them your best of going back to same, if you really need outcross to add speed, feet, height or anything else maybe your not breeding off what you want, maybe start with what you want an you’ll get it quicker 👍

i`m just chucking stuff in the hat mate == i know lads with all manner of livestock some are all blood lines others are for grafters , my farmer mate james is all bloodlines and pedigrees even if he kept bees they`d have to have a fooking pedigree 

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Just now, SheepChaser said:

Be interesting to see if anyone can actually answer the question though .

Mate al dogs have breaking points, if the owner is one them guys, then even older dogs will jack, some will die doing a job, but most will walk when they had enough an they ain’t robots 🤦‍♂️  Your trying to make it sound as tho once a dogs grafting it is a guaranteed thing, well it ain’t 

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4 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

Nobody in particular mate. I was just seeing if folk were still capable of having an actual discussion with various opinions without it just being a slanging match. 

it could soon change depending who comes on ..

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1 hour ago, SheepChaser said:

I was reading some bits on here this morning and it made me think about a few things.

You always hear it said on here and in general that it is a borderline criminal offence to breed a dog that is not “well seasoned” which appears to be 5/6 year old and up. 
 

Two things came to mind. Firstly there will be plenty of dogs that are running well enough at six that have never been pushed and have done less graft than another dog which is three.

Secondly - had anyone actually know a very good dog which was flying after three good seasons where it had seen plenty of work, that then went on to throw the towel in at a later date (4,5,6 year old ?) and where that wasn’t through injury or poor fitness and conditioning etc ?

Just wondered on folks thoughts ? 

Yes, i've seen dogs spew after a couple of hard seasons but after a third, most that stick with it get harder.

It's a risk you take if you want a pup out of younger dogs but there's risk in every step your new pup takes, no matter what it's parentage and NOTHING is gauranteed...

With lurchers you can breed best to best and get onions and then breed onions and get a world beater..!

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Theres all sorts of reasons for Dogs throwing in the towel or Jacking in could be fitness could be just to smart I've seen all breeds do this even first x bulls every dog is an Individual specially lamping dog getting pushed to much and in my opinion u should always bred from the best u can get 

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1 minute ago, sid g said:

heres another thought do you take a pup off 2 working parents with 3 seasons behind them or 2 parents that have never grafted  but have 6 generations of workers in the breeding . 

fair answer sid,  now ive been reading on a apbt  site , where 2 well bred game dogs off  lines of proven dogs in the box, and yet out of say a litter of 8 pups, you might only get 2-3  real game dogs . the rest classed as curs , but them curs would be on different level to most type dogs. so  even the best dog and bitches lurchers , gundogs, terriers etc   still throw crap.  and in lurchers , i say up to 3-   5 year old there at there best, regards speed/strike , lets face it a 3 year old fit dog , should give you its best in the field , i should imagine  that would be the same as coursing dog, over 5 all dogs loose bit of pace. and regards teeth job , a dog can jack any time , if get wacked all the while  and not rested to heal proper, ive always thought my self try to get a pup from proven parents , but even from say 6 year old parent's , you still dont know if your pup will be as good as them .? 

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12 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

Mate al dogs have breaking points, if the owner is one them guys, then even older dogs will jack, some will die doing a job, but most will walk when they had enough an they ain’t robots 🤦‍♂️  Your trying to make it sound as tho once a dogs grafting it is a guaranteed thing, well it ain’t 

Not saying they are mate, just genuinely curious if anyone has known a well tested and seasoned dog in terms of numbers just give up heart. Not down to owner f**k up. By what you’re saying it would make little difference how old a dog is as they can always jack. Which is obviously true, but I have not met a good dog with a good owner which has done a lot by end of third season which has just lost heart and walked away in its next season on day a fox. All dogs hve a breaking point as you say, but if it’s a continuous plane of work, do you know more what you have at age six then age four ? 

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20 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

Another thing that tickles me is the amount of folk who suggest a dog for someone to use over there bitch, but chances are they never saw the dog work, an prob never saw bitch either 😁

I think rays buck will be ideal ower your kelpie x pal 👍 

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