Dogs throwing the towel in and breeding.

[mC HULL 4,014]

1 minute ago, Greb147 said:

Yeah, the Skipper dogs did yes. That dogs mark on the game can't be denied. 

Still, the bloodline was moulded by the game it participates in. 

what did or does a bull add to a grey mate abit more hardy and gameness that must still a been there even though ed didnt work them mate 

[Greb147 6,739]

3 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

what did or does a bull add to a grey mate abit more hardy and gameness that must still a been there even though ed didnt work them mate 

Don't know what you're on about now pal? 

Gone from bulldogs to bull crosses?

He didn't match them no but I doubt he was as naive as some think, he certainly knew what clicked.

Let's remember he lived out in the States and undoubtedly met many good dogmen.

And just to clarify, he wasn't the only one peddling bulldogs over here. 

Edited September 10, 2021 by Greb147

[SheepChaser 6,426]

14 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

what did or does a bull add to a grey mate abit more hardy and gameness that must still a been there even though ed didnt work them mate 

I personally just like their attitude, and how they are to have about as dogs. Different strokes for different folks but I find I just get on with bull blooded dogs. 

[Gilbey 1,249]

31 minutes ago, Penda said:

Any ideas on redmite

Ficam w

[sid g 10,025]

keep it sweet lads been a decent thread ,,

[lurchers 2,434]

10 hours ago, Penda said:

Any ideas on redmite

A tin of fly spray ficam is far to strong to be wasted on redmite mate.look at the ld50 on it.

Edited September 11, 2021 by lurchers

[lurchers 2,434]

Just now, sid g said:

keep it sweet lads been a decent thread ,,

Ya know that will sharpe change on here.

[SheepChaser 6,426]

Back to the original question, or related anyway, I often think ground is fairly important. Ie a dog might suit someone and catch a lot, but quite possibly wouldn’t on your ground, so the graft and numbers don’t make the dog a suitable stud (for example) for you. I sometimes go places that have smaller fields and fences and it changes things a lot for some quarry. Other things, big open prairies are an advantage. 

[moonlighter 880]

If a line/type of dog all had similar traits and stamp, I’d breed off a litter mate that wasn’t proven. For example, I had a very well bred coursing dog, bred from some of the best dogs at the time. All the pups looked the same, just like the parents etc. Now the dog I had, lost his nuts due to cancer. If I had a bitch and I was really wanting to use him as stud, but now I can’t, I would use his litter brother that went to a pet home and was nether worked. I would take the risk , as this pet dog would have the same DNA as my top coursing dog. 

[sandymere 6,337]

55 minutes ago, moonlighter said:

If a line/type of dog all had similar traits and stamp, I’d breed off a litter mate that wasn’t proven. For example, I had a very well bred coursing dog, bred from some of the best dogs at the time. All the pups looked the same, just like the parents etc. Now the dog I had, lost his nuts due to cancer. If I had a bitch and I was really wanting to use him as stud, but now I can’t, I would use his litter brother that went to a pet home and was nether worked. I would take the risk , as this pet dog would have the same DNA as my top coursing dog. 

Or if still alive use his sire, after all his sire is the proven producer

[leegreen 1,670]

9 hours ago, SheepChaser said:

I was reading some bits on here this morning and it made me think about a few things.

You always hear it said on here and in general that it is a borderline criminal offence to breed a dog that is not “well seasoned” which appears to be 5/6 year old and up. 
 

Two things came to mind. Firstly there will be plenty of dogs that are running well enough at six that have never been pushed and have done less graft than another dog which is three.

Secondly - had anyone actually know a very good dog which was flying after three good seasons where it had seen plenty of work, that then went on to throw the towel in at a later date (4,5,6 year old ?) and where that wasn’t through injury or poor fitness and conditioning etc ?

Just wondered on folks thoughts ? 

Most dogs would throw in the towel sooner or later if pushed too much.

It's knowing your dog, knowing dogs and not knowing dogs that can make or break a dog.

[Borr 1,077]

My tuppence albeit an inexperienced educted guess. Mine are pets first and foremost, one a busher , an accidental mating I took a chance on. The runner a bitch well bred from a repeat mating of similar psychotic (kidding) dogs. I have no doubt that she enjoys confrontational prey and the lack thereof has probably caused me issues as a result. She'll never be 'tested' to the extent of numbers here mentioned or regular work , but if I were to want to continue with running dogs I'd happily use her as a base, I like her temp, she's basically a 26kg terrier, I guess what I'm getting at is I know her kin have done enough, she's alive and healthy to whelp a litter. Personally I'd breed from her if I wanted what she does little of. The busher , realistically he's a bit of a twat , but I'm more likely to have a pup off him as they're just for mooching messing about pets, I think I could bring a pup on a bit different, as ken says , not quite the same breeding standard with knock about mongrel thing than with the all round or specialist lurchers. I still think a good owner , with time, experience and plenty to go at will always do better and make a decent dog great , where as I feel I've made a great dog average. Bit late but in short I'd breed off a young dog if all the signs were good and the line or kin were predominantly doing there job. As for the land JB stated before I went abroad wait and see what the land is like, but I knew I wanted to take a dog with, my bitch had no chance fields were stretching out into the horizon, so as you say horses for courses you want to be seeing the dog run on your land ideally or at least similar land. My bitch certainly does a bit better in the small fields . I'd say an important point , maybe not so much for some, is that you have to enjoy the dog and bond/get along with the breed /temp, anyways all imho.

[gnipper 4,772]

Has anyone ever had an awesome dog bred from jackers or untested young pets?

 When breeding from any stock you get pairings that just click and produce good stock and you can pair best to best and get crap too. You can breed for certain things like looks easily but ability?

[Penda 2,180]

9 hours ago, lurchers said:

A tin of fly spray ficam is far to strong to be wasted on redmite mate.look at the ld50 on it.

That was off topic but thanks for the in put

[Gilbey 1,249]

You can have class dogs and their lesser brother is a better producer

And if you buy pups off strangers, there is only so much you can know and it's fingers crossed