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I was reading some bits on here this morning and it made me think about a few things.

You always hear it said on here and in general that it is a borderline criminal offence to breed a dog that is not “well seasoned” which appears to be 5/6 year old and up. 
 

Two things came to mind. Firstly there will be plenty of dogs that are running well enough at six that have never been pushed and have done less graft than another dog which is three.

Secondly - had anyone actually know a very good dog which was flying after three good seasons where it had seen plenty of work, that then went on to throw the towel in at a later date (4,5,6 year old ?) and where that wasn’t through injury or poor fitness and conditioning etc ?

Just wondered on folks thoughts ? 

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44 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

I was reading some bits on here this morning and it made me think about a few things.

You always hear it said on here and in general that it is a borderline criminal offence to breed a dog that is not “well seasoned” which appears to be 5/6 year old and up. 
 

Two things came to mind. Firstly there will be plenty of dogs that are running well enough at six that have never been pushed and have done less graft than another dog which is three.

Secondly - had anyone actually know a very good dog which was flying after three good seasons where it had seen plenty of work, that then went on to throw the towel in at a later date (4,5,6 year old ?) and where that wasn’t through injury or poor fitness and conditioning etc ?

Just wondered on folks thoughts ? 

Yah for sure also seen quit at 3 year old after a few chances then following season never show so much as a sign of backing up or spitting for rest on its life ,

Bit iffy tho int it 

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Ofcourse older dogs can jack or throw towel in, iv saw it even on rabbits an hares, lamp an daytime, that’s just summat folk breeding off young stock tell themselves imho. 

 

If you wanna breed, breed but trying to use things like posted above to justify it is horse shite, just be honest am say the dogs young I like it, blah blah blah an breed it, it’s yours, can tell anyways as folk usually start talking about breeding off dogs an bitches before they saw a full season 😂 so there minds are already made up of you ask me 

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4 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

Ofcourse older dogs can jack or throw towel in, iv saw it even on rabbits an hares, lamp an daytime, that’s just summat folk breeding off young stock tell themselves imho. 

 

If you wanna breed, breed but trying to use things like posted above to justify it is horse shite, just be honest am say the dogs young I like it, blah blah blah an breed it, it’s yours, can tell anyways as folk usually start talking about breeding off dogs an bitches before they saw a full season 😂 so there minds are already made up of you ask me 

Breed off them before they done anything then you can say it's never jacked and never missed anything 💯    

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1 minute ago, Black neck said:

Breed off them before they done anything then you can say it's never jacked and never missed anything 💯    

Mate if that’s what folk wanna do, an look on the selling pages it deffo happens 😂 then that’s upto them, it’s just doing that an lying about it that grips my shite. Like I said if you wanna breed but need to justify it, then maybe you shouldn’t 😂 but if you do, so what?? They yours but just ne honest about the pups an parents 😁

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with any bloodlines does it make any odds if the parents are doing the job intended or not  . racing pigeons , greyhounds, hounds, race horses , terriers or  running dogs . ?,

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All dependent on bloodlines and graft...

And for me, with lurchers, graft wins hands down. I'd rather take a pup off a dog that i know has been grafted hard at 3 year old, than one from a dog thats say 7 and though worked steadily, has hardly been pushed.

Point of fact for me, is who is on the other end of the lead... Mad keen owners don't keep shite, they can't afford to...

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with any bloodlines does it make any odds if the parents are doing the job intended or not  . racing pigeons , greyhounds, hounds, race horses , terriers or  running dogs . ?,

Surely you got to have the blood line tho? Them pigeons an hounds an horses all have similar blood to each other so they know what they getting sort of, where’s with lurchers there far more variables unless they been lone bred, I think 🤔 😂

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To me it seems there’s a lot of dog owners who like breeding as much as grafting there dogs, an there owners who not arsed about breeding an just wanna Graft em, without the breeders we wouldn’t have much around especially the line bred dogs

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1 minute ago, W. Katchum said:

Surely you got to have the blood line tho? Them pigeons an hounds an horses all have similar blood to each other so they know what they getting sort of, where’s with lurchers there far more variables unless they been lone bred, I think 🤔 😂

dont know mate i know a fella thats bred top pigeons from stock thats never flapped a wing outside of a loft , greyhound kennels near me got dogs that have never run .. would you take a pup from good bloodlines from proven stock thats not grated itself . i think most people would say no ..

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3 minutes ago, sid g said:

dont know mate i know a fella thats bred top pigeons from stock thats never flapped a wing outside of a loft , greyhound kennels near me got dogs that have never run .. would you take a pup from good bloodlines from proven stock thats not grated itself . i think most people would say no ..

But them birds an dogs will be bred off a line most probs an the owner will be able to predict what’s coming off them as they bred so tight, iv saw same with dogs, they was grafted granted but the breeders knew exactly what was coming next. But that took years to get to that stage

I also think most folk would say no, but there agajn standards ain’t what they used to be in the dog world 😁😂

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Interesting thoughts ......

Just for the record I’ve never bred a litter of Lurchers in my life ...... and the only bitches I have in my kennels are 13 and 6 months 😂 I had one dog I thought was worth breeding off, a cracker, and I waited until she was a ‘proper’ age and lined her, she was dead shortly after. Pretty much regretted not breeding her earlier and getting some pups on the ground. It left us with one animal out of that litter left which we bred (don’t worry she was five 😂) and that’s mam to my pup.

 

Anyway I digress. I see plenty of folk advocating using certain dogs of the right age on here and in general but which have probably not done a huge amount. I know dogs half their age who have done far far more. For arguments sake we aren’t talking rabbits, but let’s say a fox dog. Which is more tested - a six year old dog which has 5 seasons, 4 of which they have caught Charlie, maybe 10 to 20 a season. Another dog had only had three good seasons on them but owner has put the miles and time in, and killed 50-100 a season single handed. Which one is more tested and worth breeding off and which is more likely to jack the following season ?

Has anyone seen a decent fox dog that did good numbers first three seasons but then jacked in later life with no other excuse than heart ?
 

I think if it like terriers - there are lads digging a dog 100 times a season and lads digging a dog 20 times. Does that make age irrelevant ?  
 

 

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1 minute ago, W. Katchum said:

But them birds an dogs will be bred off a line most probs an the owner will be able to predict what’s coming off them as they bred so tight, iv saw same with dogs, they was grafted granted but the breeders knew exactly what was coming next. But that took years to get to that stage

I also think most folk would say no, but there agajn standards ain’t what they used to be in the dog world 😁😂

heres another thought do you take a pup off 2 working parents with 3 seasons behind them or 2 parents that have never grafted  but have 6 generations of workers in the breeding . 

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3 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

Interesting thoughts ......

Just for the record I’ve never bred a litter of Lurchers in my life ...... and the only bitches I have in my kennels are 13 and 6 months 😂 I had one dog I thought was worth breeding off, a cracker, and I waited until she was a ‘proper’ age and lined her, she was dead shortly after. Pretty much regretted not breeding her earlier and getting some pups on the ground. It left us with one animal out of that litter left which we bred (don’t worry she was five 😂) and that’s mam to my pup.

 

Anyway I digress. I see plenty of folk advocating using certain dogs of the right age on here and in general but which have probably not done a huge amount. I know dogs half their age who have done far far more. For arguments sake we aren’t talking rabbits, but let’s say a fox dog. Which is more tested - a six year old dog which has 5 seasons, 4 of which they have caught Charlie, maybe 10 to 20 a season. Another dog had only had three good seasons on them but owner has put the miles and time in, and killed 50-100 a season single handed. Which one is more tested and worth breeding off and which is more likely to jack the following season ?

Has anyone seen a decent fox dog that did good numbers first three seasons but then jacked in later life with no other excuse than heart ?
 

I think if it like terriers - there are lads digging a dog 100 times a season and lads digging a dog 20 times. Does that make age irrelevant ?  
 

 

Why beat about the bush 😂 what’re who you getting at 😁

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