Poppy123 0 Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 I’ve just started to get into racing and wanted to know what a scratch dog is? Also what’s classed as a non ped, I have a saluki whippet grey would she be classed as a non ped? Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,078 Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 23 hours ago, Poppy123 said: I’ve just started to get into racing and wanted to know what a scratch dog is? Also what’s classed as a non ped, I have a saluki whippet grey would she be classed as a non ped? Despacito, this is how we do it down in Puerto Rico 1 Quote Link to post
TOMO 24,785 Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 23 hours ago, Poppy123 said: I’ve just started to get into racing and wanted to know what a scratch dog is? Also what’s classed as a non ped, I have a saluki whippet grey would she be classed as a non ped? no she's a lurcher... or some might say longdog 1 Quote Link to post
chartpolski 20,226 Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 23 hours ago, Poppy123 said: I’ve just started to get into racing and wanted to know what a scratch dog is? Also what’s classed as a non ped, I have a saluki whippet grey would she be classed as a non ped? Scratch dogs are dogs that race off a level start, no handicap or weight advantages. They are the heavier dogs. Usually racing in weight classes of up to 36lb, up to 45lb, and up to 55lb, and sometimes "no limit" Non-peds are simply whippets that aren't KC registered, and most have some greyhound blood in their makeup. A Saluki/whippet/grey wouldn't be classed as a non-ped whippet, but an old rule at my local clubs states " dogs must be smooth coated and of whippet like appearance ", so, if it looks like a whippet, it could have anything in its makeup and it would be up to the committee and/or handicapper if it was allowed to run. Hope this is helpful Cheers. 10 Quote Link to post
Neal 1,775 Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 I've only ever been to one racing whippet meet (back in the mid 90s in the New Forest if memory serves me well). I took my collie x whippet along, but not to race, just for the socialisation...I'm sure there was some bloke there with a whippet x saluki. But, as chartpolski said, she was "smooth coated and of whippet like appearance." She didn't win her race. 2 Quote Link to post
eastcoast 3,707 Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 Many/most non-pedigree whippets have long and illustrious pedigrees. As stated above non-ped means not Kennel Club registered. Non-ped is a bit of a misnomer. Same as some non-pedigree terriers and hounds have pedigrees. 5 Quote Link to post
chartpolski 20,226 Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, eastcoast said: Many/most non-pedigree whippets have long and illustrious pedigrees. As stated above non-ped means not Kennel Club registered. Non-ped is a bit of a misnomer. Same as some non-pedigree terriers and hounds have pedigrees. "Pedigree" of a non-ped I had back in the 70's. Cheers. 5 Quote Link to post
eastcoast 3,707 Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 In the past when people have got themselves confused as to what is the difference between a mongrel, a useless but inherently expensive KC registered dog (with the exception of some whippets and some gundogs) and "non-pedigree" finely bred dogs with recorded breeding I ask them if they have ever won money betting on a racing greyhound? If they have then that dog or bitch was certainly not KC registered and so not a "pedigree" as they perceive it but will have a pedigree going back, way back. 3 Quote Link to post
Neal 1,775 Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 10 hours ago, eastcoast said: In the past when people have got themselves confused as to what is the difference between a mongrel, a useless but inherently expensive KC registered dog (with the exception of some whippets and some gundogs) and "non-pedigree" finely bred dogs with recorded breeding I ask them if they have ever won money betting on a racing greyhound? If they have then that dog or bitch was certainly not KC registered and so not a "pedigree" as they perceive it but will have a pedigree going back, way back. Good point. My kelpies would probably be regarded as non-pedigree as they're not recognized by the kennel club but I can trace their pedigrees all the way back (multiple times) to the original Gleeson's Kelpie in 1870. Quote Link to post
Poppy123 0 Posted May 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 19 hours ago, chartpolski said: Scratch dogs are dogs that race off a level start, no handicap or weight advantages. They are the heavier dogs. Usually racing in weight classes of up to 36lb, up to 45lb, and up to 55lb, and sometimes "no limit" Non-peds are simply whippets that aren't KC registered, and most have some greyhound blood in their makeup. A Saluki/whippet/grey wouldn't be classed as a non-ped whippet, but an old rule at my local clubs states " dogs must be smooth coated and of whippet like appearance ", so, if it looks like a whippet, it could have anything in its makeup and it would be up to the committee and/or handicapper if it was allowed to run. Hope this is helpful Cheers. Thank you this has been really helpful Quote Link to post
northern lad 2,291 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 On 02/05/2021 at 00:00, chartpolski said: "Pedigree" of a non-ped I had back in the 70's. Cheers. Some good dogs in there Charts,if I remember right Scarback was owned by my pals grandad G.C.. Quote Link to post
chartpolski 20,226 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, northern lad said: Some good dogs in there Charts,if I remember right Scarback was owned by my pals grandad G.C.. Would that be George Coulson ? Cheets. Quote Link to post
northern lad 2,291 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 30 minutes ago, chartpolski said: Would that be George Coulson ? Cheets. Graham Cooper.. Quote Link to post
chartpolski 20,226 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, northern lad said: Graham Cooper.. It was a long time ago, I know George owned one of the dogs on that pedigree Cheers. 1 Quote Link to post
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