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MORE than 200,000 pupils moving from primary to secondary school this autumn...

 

If these figures are correct surely this is down to the parents as much as the lockdown? All kids that didn't have someone at home (I.e working) were still at school which means those kids that have fallen drastically behind haven't been taught what the schools provided by their parents. They're on about all sorts of measures that will increase the kids time in school when really the parents should have just done their job and raised their f***ing kids surely. 

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I can speak with a little bit of knowledge on school. In the UK we put massive pressure on kids......and I mean massive, from the time they are babies of 4 ! Almost nobody else is doing that

WILF is 100% correct.  There is absolutely no connection between academic achievement in primary school and how much money people earn at 30. Once you take the top few percent of really clever ki

I've said that for years, cooking and healthy eating should be one of the staples of education in the UK, the same as First Aid, they should be both instilled by the time you're an adult.   

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11 minutes ago, South hams hunter said:
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MORE than 200,000 pupils moving from primary to secondary school this autumn...

 

If these figures are correct surely this is down to the parents as much as the lockdown? All kids that didn't have someone at home (I.e working) were still at school which means those kids that have fallen drastically behind haven't been taught what the schools provided by their parents. They're on about all sorts of measures that will increase the kids time in school when really the parents should have just done their job and raised their f***ing kids surely. 

I can speak with a little bit of knowledge on school.

In the UK we put massive pressure on kids......and I mean massive, from the time they are babies of 4 !

Almost nobody else is doing that in Europe.

They are getting tested from infant age group and the pressure in schools to meet those standards is terrible, parents buy into this absolute bullshit too because lots of parents are thick as shit and Fred & Chantelle who never passed a f***ing exam in their life and have risen to be a bin man and a nail technician believe that if they just moan at the school enough then little Tyson will become the next Steven Hawkin ! 
They look at the OFSTED rating number without ever bothering to take the kid and have a look round, consider if they would be happy, if the school fits the child’s character and vice versa, what place is best for emotional and spiritual well being......nope, if the number is good they just drop him off for 16 years and hey presto, rocket scientist ! 
 

The school is funded by how many kids they can attract, if the number drops the funding drops......so if the OFSTED rating isn’t as good they know the stupid parents won’t apply to send the kids, may be a great school, may be just what the kid needs but no.......and so they have to put the kids under massive pressure to achieve, achieve, achieve.

Its total shite, many country’s don’t start kids until they are 6,7 or 8 even and they do fine and they seem to have a happy well rounded population.

I personally wouldn’t take too much notice of reports about kids low standard in the media, it’s normally total bollocks ! 
 

As long as kids are happy, well rounded, cared for and gently encouraged they will get there at some point and be the person they were meant to be.......don’t be too quick to throw them on that hamster wheel, not meeting a test result at 10 won’t define your life ?

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WILF is 100% correct. 

There is absolutely no connection between academic achievement in primary school and how much money people earn at 30. Once you take the top few percent of really clever kids out and the bottom few percent who really struggle then everyone else evens out. 

When I was at school in year 3 at primary I was taught by one old woman who taught us every lesson we needed to learn. My son is now in year 3 and he has 3 different teachers doing different subjects, there are a couple of classroom assistants and he gets piles of online homework every single day. Apparently we are letting him down if WE don't do at least an hour a day practicing spelling, reading and writing. We are constantly in trouble for being behind. The fact that my son gets home from school each day and is immediately busy gardening, in the workshop, cooking with his mum, out with the dogs etc etc doesn't matter. During lockdown they did a class zoom quiz, every kid wrote 5 questions each week and the whole class then answered all the other kids questions. Most of the kids had questions on Minecraft, grand theft auto and all types of celebrity bollocks. My son wrote questions on wildlife, general knowledge and geography etc. Non of the kids had any knowledge at all about real life, they couldn't answer any of my sons easy questions, couldn't name male /female animals or anything about different countries. 

The whole education system is upside down and we are releasing whole generations of kids that can't cook a healthy diet or think for themselves in any way. No don't read or worry about any bollocks in the media, look to your own kids and make sure they are happy, well rounded and ready to go into life and achieve what ever they decide to do in years to come, because they have a whole life in front of them ?

 

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Personally I had a hard time supporting my 3 with home schooling. Not because I'm stupid or lazy, it was just difficult for a number of reasons. I did the best I could with 3 teenagers who weren't always compliant or easy to engage. I've worked all the way through in the NHS as well, and that was a bit stressful at times. 

The government bangs on about how the kids are all behind but, for me, I think they might want to change the criteria they judge them by. Because it's utterly ridiculous the way they teach kids in this country.  Learning is little more than repetition and stress. I feel really sorry for kids to be fair, education here is dreadful.

I've basically just told mine do your best and if you're happy with that, sod their bloody endless tests. I've encouraged them to think about a trade, or travel, or whatever else floats their boats. We all find our way after high school anyway. 

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Think about how many years most of us spent learning languages in secondary school. I did 5 years of German. At the end of 5 years the total achievement I had was being able to shout 'ya das is guuud' in a porn star voice. I learnt more languages in a month in Spain in my mid twenties. You can't force knowledge into a brain. 

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They don't even bring language in here till year 9. How stupid is that? They get three years of intense learning shoved down their throats along with all the other useless stuff they aren't even remotely good at/interested in. Back home many moons ago, we were graded annually on everything about our school life: engagement in class, group projects, quality and consistency of homework, showing up and on time etc. Final yearly exams counted for maybe 50% of your grade. It taught us way more than years of pressure, repetition and one final mark at the end. The quality of education here, from a holistic view, is utterly shite and in my opinion it's accountable for a great deal of what's going wrong with younger generations. I wouldn't want to be a kid now for all the world.

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1 hour ago, South hams hunter said:
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MORE than 200,000 pupils moving from primary to secondary school this autumn...

 

If these figures are correct surely this is down to the parents as much as the lockdown? All kids that didn't have someone at home (I.e working) were still at school which means those kids that have fallen drastically behind haven't been taught what the schools provided by their parents. They're on about all sorts of measures that will increase the kids time in school when really the parents should have just done their job and raised their f***ing kids surely. 

Gone f**k up about the gov for once in your life,parents ain't f***ing teachers,that why they go to school in the first place. 

Typical government shut the schools down but blame the parents haha what a f***ing joke

Your a tit South hams,you BELEIVE anything the gov says,your foolery is astounds me.

 

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28 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

WILF is 100% correct. 

There is absolutely no connection between academic achievement in primary school and how much money people earn at 30. Once you take the top few percent of really clever kids out and the bottom few percent who really struggle then everyone else evens out. 

When I was at school in year 3 at primary I was taught by one old woman who taught us every lesson we needed to learn. My son is now in year 3 and he has 3 different teachers doing different subjects, there are a couple of classroom assistants and he gets piles of online homework every single day. Apparently we are letting him down if WE don't do at least an hour a day practicing spelling, reading and writing. We are constantly in trouble for being behind. The fact that my son gets home from school each day and is immediately busy gardening, in the workshop, cooking with his mum, out with the dogs etc etc doesn't matter. During lockdown they did a class zoom quiz, every kid wrote 5 questions each week and the whole class then answered all the other kids questions. Most of the kids had questions on Minecraft, grand theft auto and all types of celebrity bollocks. My son wrote questions on wildlife, general knowledge and geography etc. Non of the kids had any knowledge at all about real life, they couldn't answer any of my sons easy questions, couldn't name male /female animals or anything about different countries. 

The whole education system is upside down and we are releasing whole generations of kids that can't cook a healthy diet or think for themselves in any way. No don't read or worry about any bollocks in the media, look to your own kids and make sure they are happy, well rounded and ready to go into life and achieve what ever they decide to do in years to come, because they have a whole life in front of them ?

 

I've said that for years, cooking and healthy eating should be one of the staples of education in the UK, the same as First Aid, they should be both instilled by the time you're an adult. 

 

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1 hour ago, South hams hunter said:
WWW.THESUN.CO.UK

MORE than 200,000 pupils moving from primary to secondary school this autumn...

 

If these figures are correct surely this is down to the parents as much as the lockdown? All kids that didn't have someone at home (I.e working) were still at school which means those kids that have fallen drastically behind haven't been taught what the schools provided by their parents. They're on about all sorts of measures that will increase the kids time in school when really the parents should have just done their job and raised their f***ing kids surely. 

I got no qualifications from school, I was only allowed in Monday Wednesdays and friday for my model student behaviour. On a Wednesday a group of us were taken up the town to read papers and learn how to apply for jobs. The member of staff would stop at the shop and get our fags for us and we just f****d about. School got me a work placement Tuesday and Friday.

My kids come home from school and I don't understand much if any of there work. I would rather not teach them at all than teach them wrong. I guess there's a good many parents who would struggle as much has me.

Fortunately for me my kids had a placement due to my other half being a key worker. All I have been able to do is teach them about nature on our daily walks.

It wasn't to long ago the teachers union didn't want the responsibility of doing quick flow tests at school because they aint doctors, I and a good many parents aint f***ing teachers. We can only do the best we can.

So don't believe it's a total failure on the parents part.

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All learning can be taught as a game from a young age. I used to play questions with my kids everytime we were out in the van. Maths, spelling, naming things etc. Take it in turns and make it fun. Our Jess used to have a smile from ear to ear everytime she got the questions right and the look of clarity on her face when she got it wrong and then understood why, well it can't be bought. Kinell she could name nearly every Who song and spell them by the time she was six ?

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we don`t have teachers anymore, they are professional trainers who can only run by what`s in a book, a teacher can spot a child who struggles to understand something and find a different way to explain things, my old physics teacher was always banging on about cross-multiplication, had me stumped, family friend told me about the pyramid system for ohms law, that stuck with me and I still use it now.

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17 minutes ago, neil82 said:

we don`t have teachers anymore, they are professional trainers who can only run by what`s in a book, a teacher can spot a child who struggles to understand something and find a different way to explain things, my old physics teacher was always banging on about cross-multiplication, had me stumped, family friend told me about the pyramid system for ohms law, that stuck with me and I still use it now.

This is pretty much why I gave up teaching after over a quarter of a century. I kept trying to TEACH children fun stuff and also to make sure they went home with a massive smile on their faces because they knew they had the best teacher in the school. Happy kids and happy parents was my priority which unfortunately, meant that I wasn't ticking the correct boxes. I've always been a non-confrontational person but over the last few years I was getting more and more antagonistic towards the "senior" management team.

1 hour ago, DIDO.1 said:

The fact that my son gets home from school each day and is immediately busy gardening, in the workshop, cooking with his mum, out with the dogs etc etc doesn't matter. During lockdown they did a class zoom quiz, every kid wrote 5 questions each week and the whole class then answered all the other kids questions. Most of the kids had questions on Minecraft, grand theft auto and all types of celebrity bollocks. My son wrote questions on wildlife, general knowledge and geography etc. Non of the kids had any knowledge at all about real life, they couldn't answer any of my sons easy questions, couldn't name male /female animals or anything about different countries. 

 

Completely agree. When my son was at primary school, one of his friends came round and was completely bemused by the fact that he didn't have an x box, gameboy etc, to which he replied, "Yeah, but I've got my own knife and a catapult." He was told off by his (particularly crap) year 4 teacher for watching a pheasant out of the classroom window. When my daughter went back in to school after lockdown they were doing a topic on bees and she was the only person in the class who could correctly label all the body parts.

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2 minutes ago, Neal said:

This is pretty much why I gave up teaching after over a quarter of a century. I kept trying to TEACH children fun stuff and also to make sure they went home with a massive smile on their faces because they knew they had the best teacher in the school. Happy kids and happy parents was my priority which unfortunately, meant that I wasn't ticking the correct boxes. I've always been a non-confrontational person but over the last few years I was getting more and more antagonistic towards the "senior" management team.

Completely agree. When my son was at primary school, one of his friends came round and was completely bemused by the fact that he didn't have an x box, gameboy etc, to which he replied, "Yeah, but I've got my own knife and a catapult." He was told off by his (particularly crap) year 4 teacher for watching a pheasant out of the classroom window. When my daughter went back in to school after lockdown they were doing a topic on bees and she was the only person in the class who could correctly label all the body parts.

Unfortunately mate, knowing about that stuff won’t get them through the SATs tests and it won’t improve the OFSTED score which is ultimately what everything is about.......shite ain’t it ?

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6 minutes ago, WILF said:

Unfortunately mate, knowing about that stuff won’t get them through the SATs tests and it won’t improve the OFSTED score which is ultimately what everything is about.......shite ain’t it ?

Yep!

I remember playing a game on the interactive whiteboard once with a class of year ones (5 - 6). The game involved randomly generated words which were either real or nonsense words and they had to select whether to put them in the bin or in the treasure chest. It didn't recognize the word adze so I had to tell them that it wasn't a nonsense word but was in fact a tool. When I told them in the staffroom they said, "Yeah, but only weird people like you know stuff like that."

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