NEWKID 25,878 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: Maybe its just the terminology i cant get to grips with its like the fat kid at school trying to stop you from stealing his dinner money.....its not " a fight " just because you are swapping punches he just wants you to go away and leave him alone. I agree with Wilf if the dog kills quickly and efficiently its a good dog if it doesnt its not....anything else is simply down to choosing the right tools for the job. ...that's a great way of putting it mate... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,362 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, foxdropper said: Since man first came down from the trees ( or beamed down if your Francie ) the odds have always been in our favour regarding hunting .Hunting was for food so a necessity .That gene hasn’t gone away for those on here that actually hunt .Fairness has never entered the equation for food harvesting or pest control . I'm not an alien ye know lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,362 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mushroom said: If you want to put your runner on brock, by all means fill your boots. For me imo it's not hunting, it's more akin to fighting. If a dog fights a boar instead of holding or baying, it's gonna be a dead dog sooner rather than later. I'm sure you know exactly what I mean and you're just being pedantic It's illegal to hunt broc here, that wasn't my point, my point was some on here earlier were trying to put hunting with heavy dogs down,doesn't matter the quarry, I'm having none of it, there not all one trick ponies mate. Folk putting other hu ters down, no wonder the games f****d. Edited October 4, 2020 by Francie 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 I've always believed that the matching of dogs is more humane than hunting certain quarry with teeth. At least the former has two willing combatants of equal size. Now I know some will think I'm sadistic thinking like that but to me I'm speaking perfect sense. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,474 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Greb147 said: I've always believed that the matching of dogs is more humane than hunting certain quarry with teeth. At least the former has two willing combatants of equal size. Now I know some will think I'm sadistic thinking like that but to me I'm speaking perfect sense. I always said the matching of dogs,done correctly....only becomes cruel or inhumane after the event....if an owner doesnt know how to doctor the dog etc......the contest itself while probably not acceptable in this day and age is governed by rules stopping it from being cruel or inhumane.....and thats why the rules are there. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: I always said the matching of dogs,done correctly....only becomes cruel or inhumane after the event....if an owner doesnt know how to doctor the dog etc......the contest itself while probably not acceptable in this day and age is governed by rules stopping it from being cruel or inhumane.....and thats why the rules are there. I think the gambling side of things is what upsets the powers that be more than the combat side of things. Just look at Japan, they still have legal bouts take place that have vets at the event and such. I'm not trying to say the sport smells of roses, it can be brutal beyond belief but is it more inhumane than sending a lurcher on a wild animal that doesn't want to play back? Edited October 4, 2020 by Greb147 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 43,978 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Greb147 said: I've always believed that the matching of dogs is more humane than hunting certain quarry with teeth. At least the former has two willing combatants of equal size. Now I know some will think I'm sadistic thinking like that but to me I'm speaking perfect sense. It’s only in humane when you are using absolute shit to do it with mate, But the rub with hunting dogs is that you have to go through the process of finding out....there’s no way round it. We ain’t talking pedigree dogs here where the dogs whole worth is on a bit of paper, that worth has to be discovered and there is only one way to discover it...... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 14,465 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 I have to be honest that’s not really anything I have knowledge of but half the arguement here is that with the proper things , it shouldn’t descend into a scrap 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, WILF said: It’s only in humane when you are using absolute shit to do it with mate, But the rub with hunting dogs is that you have to go through the process of finding out....there’s no way round it. We ain’t talking pedigree dogs here where the dogs whole worth is on a bit of paper, that worth has to be discovered and there is only one way to discover it...... Well of course if you find a dog that can turn the lights out quickly then all the better but sometimes it becomes a drawn out affair and all that's getting tested is the staying power of the dog. Anyway I'd still say killing an unwilling animal with a dog is no more morally correct than matching two willing animals against each other, that's just my opinion on the subject. Edited October 4, 2020 by Greb147 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 14,465 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 I totally agree with you greb I really do pal but in reality , that game looking back from a distance seemed very very organised in its roots and in Dixie land . I’m not using google here but I’m sure it’s now a federal crime and people like that f***ing animal Michael Vick were kinda the ultimate “last thing this game needs “ type people to be involved 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 I get what you're saying though about not bothering anymore, I couldn't see myself getting another lurcher again in the current climate. For starters it's much more hot about these days and to me there's no point buying a Ferrari to drive down to the local Tesco. To those that just want a bit of fun on a mooch out and about I would advise lads to get a lurcher from a dog pound, at least you're giving a dog a new life instead of banged up all day. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 43,978 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Greb147 said: Well of course if you find a dog that can turn the lights out quickly then all the better but sometimes it becomes a drawn out affair and all that's getting tested is the staying power of the dog. Anyway I'd still say killing an unwilling animal with a dog is no more morally correct than matching two willing animals against each other, that's just my opinion on the subject. I dont have a problem with either mate. It wouldn’t be my cup of tea matching dogs but that breed needs them blokes doing what the dogs were meant to do.....more power to their elbow I say. I have seen dogs that could put anything to sleep in seconds, if a dogs fighting and brawling then maybe don’t run it at those things or look for better blood. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,474 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Greb147 said: I think the gambling side of things is what upsets the powers that be more than the combat side of things. Just look at Japan, they still have legal bouts take place that have vets at the event and such. I'm not trying to say the sport smells of roses, it can be brutal beyond belief but is it more inhumane than sending a lurcher on a wild animal that doesn't want to play back? I dont think the gambling matters mate.....some of the best matches through years have been for the price of a keep or just for sport its just for the same reason its illegal for 2 men to have a straightener in a public place organised violence outside of sport cannot be publicly condoned.....i get it and dont have a problem with it to be honest.....ethically though i agree with you. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stumfelter 3,032 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 48 minutes ago, Blackmag said: I have hung my boots up now stum but in years gone by would I be happy just bunny bashing I doubt it will it test a dog like I think they should no I still like to see any good dog graft but with the law as it is I don't think there tested any were near as years gone by and what with mobiles /drones /ect plus as said penalties when caught fecking hell they even have mobile DNA test kits then the after math of a court case Windows getting popped ect I took a back seat but I take my hat of to any lad still out and about doing a bit What I can't get my head around is who gains by "testing" the dog to extremes? The dog? Probably not, the quarry? Definitely not, the owner? He probably wins the latest dick swinging contest down the pub but only at the dogs expense. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: I totally agree with you greb I really do pal but in reality , that game looking back from a distance seemed very very organised in its roots and in Dixie land . I’m not using google here but I’m sure it’s now a federal crime and people like that f***ing animal Michael Vick were kinda the ultimate “last thing this game needs “ type people to be involved Yeah I think it's been a federal crime since the 70's. I'm not naive and stupid enough to not understand why it's outlawed, the sport is massively brutal at the end of the day for the dogs. Obviously we will never go back to times of old but I don't want to see the breed disappear to the realms of legends. Those in eastern Europe have it easier but they are a few decades behind, it won't be long before they clamp down on the sport over there IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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