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On 09/05/2020 at 16:30, Bangersanmash said:

Or mate I've had a bad day I've had next door's youngen up at my back fence all day perched up on rabbit hutch. Am trying to kick back an he's there telling me to go get f****d when telling him to get dwn 😂 if he carries on he's guna end up in kennel f***ing gadded 😂😂 That's a joke guys for the serious ones. If it was so easy few hours is that stinky kennel would sort him out 😂

Ya never heard of a slingshot? Sorts all that shit out 

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The more you head towards the bully type the further away you get from the worker.

Its the terrier game full stop Chesney, all bs,lies and jealousy 

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used to be a name that got thrown about as  a cross  you`d often see a few for sale wheeler / nuttal .wheeler / gould  back in the days of the free ad papers  truth be known  same as anything back in the day you never knew  100% what you was buying  .. 

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1 hour ago, sid g said:

used to be a name that got thrown about as  a cross  you`d often see a few for sale wheeler / nuttal .wheeler / gould  back in the days of the free ad papers  truth be known  same as anything back in the day you never knew  100% what you was buying  .. 

There'd be more than a few suprises if we got the whole truth of every breeding going back to the 50s/60s

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23 hours ago, sid g said:

used to be a name that got thrown about as  a cross  you`d often see a few for sale wheeler / nuttal .wheeler / gould  back in the days of the free ad papers  truth be known  same as anything back in the day you never knew  100% what you was buying  .. 

I think a few lads based a description on what it was expected to look like .Bully types were generally labelled Wheeler whilst anything else black was Nuttal .

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1 minute ago, foxdropper said:

I think a few lads based a description on what it was expected to look like .Bully types were generally labelled Wheeler whilst anything else black was Nuttal .

dont know much about them tbh i think they had a heavy gould influence  but who really knows names got chucked about to sell dogs unless you went down the path of grafting and breeding your own you never knew what you were getting when you parted with your hard earned ... 

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13 hours ago, foxdropper said:

I think a few lads based a description on what it was expected to look like .Bully types were generally labelled Wheeler whilst anything else black was Nuttal .

The more you head towards the bully type the further away you get from the worker.

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Used two separate quarter bred outcrosses mate so pretty diluted when I worked them .Theres a lad I know used to keep pat/bulls in varying degrees of dilution and he worked them all .Got to see them first hand and have to say you wouldn’t turn one down .If we are to believe the old books ,pics and gossip ,all the black types  had bull infusion so no getting away from it really .
I was never interested in the first cross but a bit of bull never did any harm that’s for sure .

Everybody has a take on it but unless you’ve worked them words mean nothing .My old bitch I have here is 1/16  going back to a 1/4 bull/pat x a Stevens bitch I bred ,few gens back .I like the look of a strong type but would never use one if I thought it reduced work in any way .The reason for the outcross for me was to maintain size and structure on an already decent type .

Some have used the cross to try rescue a type from kennel blindness ,I know a few that have  where really they were a couple gens too late from using a decent Pat .

The bull thing is just a personal choice I’d say as long as the bull isn’t gassy  and has been tested in some way .

 

What seems to be your hang up on the cross mate .....size or aggression or something else .

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I understand what your saying, my point was if you start heading towards a more bully type (looks, head size chest etc) your steering away from a typical working terrier and your taking on more than the bully looks. A good working terrier in my opinion will have as much drive, determination stamina and above all hunting instinct than any bull so why go down that route. I’ve worked and bred plenty of terriers with a % of bull in them over the years and by no means has it improved any workers.

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On 23/08/2020 at 11:01, foxdropper said:

Unless sourced from the man himself but even that went pear shape with a few .

When you say sourced from the man himself, lol you were guaranteed a good story to sell pups.. From stuff that looked the part but was actually Chinese sweat shop material...

You should never mix leather and rubber. 

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10 hours ago, Apache... said:

I understand what your saying, my point was if you start heading towards a more bully type (looks, head size chest etc) your steering away from a typical working terrier and your taking on more than the bully looks. A good working terrier in my opinion will have as much drive, determination stamina and above all hunting instinct than any bull so why go down that route. I’ve worked and bred plenty of terriers with a % of bull in them over the years and by no means has it improved any workers.

So why did you add it mate if it wasn’t needed in any way .

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