brexit, Coronavirus and the eu

[Flacko 1,732]

Just a old bricky but years loads of lads this way worked in industry cars engineering &such talked to a old boy them days & he always said if we need or use something in this country we should keep making it in this country , look what happened now 

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https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/corona-the-eu-struggles-for-relevance-in-the-fight-against-coronavirus-a-83052f57-ed42-4a69-85fd-61e6795a4d20

 

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Europe is taking action, that was the message that the images of the morning meeting were intended to convey – images that were sent out on social media channels a short time later. Another truth, though, was not disseminated: Brussels doesn't have a lot of say when it comes to the corona crisis. And in those areas where EU institutions do actually have authority, they are struggling to gain traction.

In short, as the pandemic takes hold in Europe, the decades-old union is showing its weaknesses. While the EU managed to survive Brexit and the euro crisis, the corona crisis may yet prove to be an insurmountable challenge.

Instead of trying to come up with joint solutions, the Continent is becoming balkanized and is reverting to national solutions. Instead of helping each other out, EU countries are hoarding face masks like panicked Europeans are hoarding toilet paper. The early decisions made by some EU member states to refrain from exporting medical equipment to Italy – the EU country that has thus far been hit hardest by the pandemic – has even overshadowed the lack of European solidarity displayed by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán in the refugee crisis.

Europeans are even divided on the question as to how to combat the virus. Whereas Germany is eager to prevent as many people as possible from encountering the virus and becoming infected, the Netherlands wants to see as many healthy people as possible fight off COVID-19, thus becoming immune. The signal is clear: When things get serious, every member state still looks out for itself first – even 60 years after the founding of the community. The question now is whether the European commissioner can do anything about it.

[kanny 19,380]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1261075/EU-coronavirus-summit-Italy-economy-Angela-Merkel-Emmanuel-Macron-collapse

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Germany claims that the €500 billion emergency relief fund can cover all the EU's Coronavirus problems for poor countries yet they have pledged more than just that for their own economy.

[twobob 1,458]

On 23/03/2020 at 14:42, WILF said:

There has always been rich and poor and there always will be, I’m not stupid enough to think there won’t.

Buts it not right that a western government gives away a job making a t-shirt to some sweat shop in India, throws his own bloke on the scrap heap and picks up his dividend from the company making and selling them......all the while his own  bloke is condemned to a life on the welfare.

Its not always been like that, we used to make things, do things.....we valued ourselves and took pride in what we produced.

 

When did it start wilf

[trigger2 3,100]

1 hour ago, kanny said:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1261075/EU-coronavirus-summit-Italy-economy-Angela-Merkel-Emmanuel-Macron-collapse

They will probably crumble when caronavirus is over its amazing how fast counties started to find there boarders to control folk coming in and out that’s signs of each for own, brexit was definitely the right move and this virus may well prove it.  I think no matter how much coranavirus costs our country it will be small to the cost we would have to pay if we were still officially in the EU and forking out for everybody else in there.

[Greyman 25,203]

 

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It is worse than that. Franceis in almost as much debt as Italy :

Which is why Germany is refusing to stump up the Euros to bail the Italians out.

Read about it here: https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/calls-for-corona-bonds-met-with-familiar-nein-a-6eb0e5ce-fddd-4909-95bb-ae8421ef3d2e

What is even more worrying is that on top of all this Turkey is holding back 3.5 million migrants paid for by the EU and once the virus gets into those camps they will open the doors and Greece and Italy will get swamped.

And then things will get really nasty.

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[kanny 19,380]

We are going to get dragged down with this regardless of Brexit there's a huge recession inbound this is some perfect storm shit .

[Meece 1,957]

On 23/03/2020 at 19:49, sid g said:

talking to a friend in greece he was saying they been bailed out before and if they lose the holiday season they`ll be fooked without another  .. 

Spain, Greece,  Turkey and many other countries will feel it hard if the tourist don't go.  It will be almost a complete collapse. There is nothing there that isn't propped up with tourist money. There was a ceramics factory in Italy on the box the other evening making  ceramic toilet pans ect.  They were shutting down the furnaces that ran 24 /7. The manger said that they couldn't last very long on shutdown. The whole Italian economy would collapse.

Edited March 28, 2020 by Meece

[Arry 18,569]

On 23/03/2020 at 14:42, WILF said:

There has always been rich and poor and there always will be, I’m not stupid enough to think there won’t.

Buts it not right that a western government gives away a job making a t-shirt to some sweat shop in India, throws his own bloke on the scrap heap and picks up his dividend from the company making and selling them......all the while his own  bloke is condemned to a life on the welfare.

Its not always been like that, we used to make things, do things.....we valued ourselves and took pride in what we produced.

 

We should go back to making quality and make the best instead of trying to make the cheapest. Every body wants the best they can afford there will aways be a demand for quality this country should concentrate on that.

Blair let companies take their production over to Shenzhen in China and put people out of work here. I worked in a factory were 6000 people were dumped the Government should have made it more difficult for firms to do that. Fine them or put some levy on them or something.

The Chinese have probably copied the product by now anyway.

[Greyman 25,203]

 

[Born Hunter 17,624]

42 minutes ago, Greyman said:

 

You know the economy is f****d when the politicians in charge of it start committing actual hara kiri! 

 

Sorry, that's not something to joke about. 

[WILF 44,259]

Double post 

Edited March 30, 2020 by WILF

[WILF 44,259]

On 27/03/2020 at 19:58, kanny said:

We are going to get dragged down with this regardless of Brexit there's a huge recession inbound this is some perfect storm shit .

Mate, I think you have to be philosophical about it, we have got so used to a grand a week and “they” have got so used to pulling our pant down in tune with it that we can’t imagine life without it.......but I think we have to imagine life without it.

Money isn’t going to be worth the same after this and correspondingly neither are houses, cars, climate tax......anything 

As I said to my daughter the other day, you have to take a view and in a world where everyone is earning £4 the bloke on a fiver is doing ok isn’t he?