Banning coal and wood

[Born Hunter 17,622]

23 minutes ago, Greyman said:

You should no better  than  to believe stats mate he that pays for the report or survey usually gets the outcome he wants, a wood burner runs around90% more efficiently than an open fire yet they are pooling the stats from both to prove there case, the dock opposite my house are importing 1000s of tons of cheap sulphur laden coal to be crushed into dust and fired into power stations and make green energy for electric cars it’s all just smoke and mirrors and the end results will be it will cost you more and you will be able to do less about it, simples

Everything is or has statistics, so I'm gonna struggle to figure anything out unless I believe at least some. Lol. I get what youre saying and I'm not really weighing in on this, simply highlighting that the point has entirely been missed in all the outrage. The first couple of pages on this thread are argueing over a mute point.

The topic is public health, not climate change.

Edited February 23, 2020 by Born Hunter

[king 11,664]

[Greyman 25,155]

1 hour ago, timmytree said:

Quite simple. How many log burner owners also have central heating?

Central heating costs money that is the whole point without anything except arms and legs an average man can warm and feed himself and  his family with a wood burner/fire and that should be a basic human right, most people today would choose an iPhone as something they can’t live without were as fire is one if the few things we really can’t live without it’s as basic and simple as that 

[kinkell 787]

When I think of working on building sites in the past everything in the fire plastic polystyrene the lot black smoke for miles

[Arry 18,519]

10 minutes ago, timmytree said:

It's also right that we stop chucking cancer causing chemicals in the air. Most people have missed the point, it's not a ban on fires or burning wood, it's trying to clean up what gets burned.

Most Wood burner including mine are designed to recycle the smoke and reburn it so I just can't see that it's as bad as you make out. You could hardy see across the valley when every body started their fires when I was a nipper now handy any smoke so I just can't see it's worse.

What is worse around here is bloody filthy buses you can smell the thing from 50 yards all public transport should be electric.

Cheers Arry

[Greyman 25,155]

8 minutes ago, timmytree said:

It's also right that we stop chucking cancer causing chemicals in the air. Most people have missed the point, it's not a ban on fires or burning wood, it's trying to clean up what gets burned.

Your only a few miles down the road from me, but breathing some good clean country air drive 35 miles up to me and the air is filth, have two new rubbish burning power stations, several biofuel waste collection centres a human waste recycling facility the m5 running overhead and feck knows what other filth generating sites hidden in between them, and I,m being told I’m causing problems for others breathing by lighting my fire in a smokeless zone, do me a favour, and when local residents complain they can’t open there doors or windows in the summer or have a BBQ because the amount of flys in the air is incredible, we are told to keep quiet and ignored it, anyone that agrees with this while ignoring the real problems are as bad as the wankers selling it to them, 

[Nicepix 5,650]

1 hour ago, timmytree said:

Quite simple. How many log burner owners also have central heating?

That isn't an answer. That is a question.

You tell me how many log burners also have central heating because I haven't the foggiest. And I'm still waiting for your source for the statistics you quoted earlier.

[WILF 44,183]

I can’t believe that anyone from a group of people that has been subject to so many bans and restrictions of freedom like hunters and shooters would advocate allowing the government to ban anything........the price of my freedom is your freedom, always !

Id have thought that was a no brainer lads.

[WILF 44,183]

6 minutes ago, timmytree said:

The original figures I quoted came from a news programme. Here's another bit I found online though.

 

Open fires and wood-burning stoves have risen in popularity over recent years - offering an additional form of heating for many households in both urban and rural areas, and possibly the sole heat source for some.

Around 1.5m homes use wood for fuel across the UK, however burning wood and coal in open fires and stoves makes up 38% of the UK's emissions of PM2.5.

By comparison, 16% come from industrial combustion, 12% from road transport and 13% from the use of solvents and industrial processes.

This means a wood burning stove emits more particles per hour than a diesel truck.

Do you REALLY believe that out of the millions of households and all the cars and industry that 38% of particulate matter is the fault of log burners (which almost nobody by % has) and industry is only 16%?..........mate, not being rude but you need your bumps felt.

Its a report in the same way as George Osborne saying we would loose 800,000 jobs in the month after voting “Leave” was a report......it’s propaganda spread to give weight to a policy of nonsense ! 
 

This is why the country is in rag order, because people believe this absolute bollocks.

[Nicepix 5,650]

23 minutes ago, timmytree said:

The original figures I quoted came from a news programme. Here's another bit I found online though.

 

Open fires and wood-burning stoves have risen in popularity over recent years - offering an additional form of heating for many households in both urban and rural areas, and possibly the sole heat source for some.

Around 1.5m homes use wood for fuel across the UK, however burning wood and coal in open fires and stoves makes up 38% of the UK's emissions of PM2.5.

By comparison, 16% come from industrial combustion, 12% from road transport and 13% from the use of solvents and industrial processes.

This means a wood burning stove emits more particles per hour than a diesel truck.

That is not an answer. You said: "Most people burn wood for looks, just because they want to sit by a pretty fire, they don't actually need it."  Nothing in the post above supports your statement. In fact it undermines your opinions.

I really don't expect you to answer me properly because you obviously haven't got any facts to support you opinions. And remember that 9 hours ago you took Wilf to task and told him:  " I suggest you check facts before you quote "  I suggest that you do the same.

[Accip74 7,112]

Under floor heating should be the law!

[Arry 18,519]

The trouble with the whole argument is they have lumped all fires in to one basket. A open coal fire is obviously worse that green wood and green wood is worse than dry wood and so on. It's all a lot more complicated you can't just say it's all fires. It's like saying all drink is bad for you whether it be alcohol coffee or water.

Cheers Arry

[dogmandont 9,313]

I don’t know one single person that has an open fire or stove because they’re pretty, they’re all used as a cheaper alternative than central heating. 

[WILF 44,183]

28 minutes ago, Accip74 said:

Under floor heating should be the law!

In fairness mate you have probably almost hit on a very good point.

Maybe they should make it a building reg that every new house has solar and/or ground source heating?

It would have a massive impact on climate and emissions, much more of an impact than taking away Fred Bloggs log burner.

However, that would require them being serious about these things and I don’t believe they are......least ways not if it’s going to affect the big industry that funds the political party’s 

Nah, always easier to hurt the small bloke and call it “doing something” 

[Greyman 25,155]

1 hour ago, timmytree said:

The original figures I quoted came from a news programme. Here's another bit I found online though.

 

Open fires and wood-burning stoves have risen in popularity over recent years - offering an additional form of heating for many households in both urban and rural areas, and possibly the sole heat source for some.

Around 1.5m homes use wood for fuel across the UK, however burning wood and coal in open fires and stoves makes up 38% of the UK's emissions of PM2.5.

By comparison, 16% come from industrial combustion, 12% from road transport and 13% from the use of solvents and industrial processes.

This means a wood burning stove emits more particles per hour than a diesel truck.

Open your eyes man, as soon as you see wood stoves and open fires rolled in as one you are being lied to and some of the modern pellet stoves are possibly as clean a source of heat as you can get whilst using up recycled wood as fuel