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3 minutes ago, jayjay said:

anyone breeding any well bred working cocker pups in the near future, or are there any about that are ready In the new year,  from decent parents ???

cheers,

jay.   

Linden had a litter at his yard a few weeks back... Frog put an ad on here for him?give him a ring jay?

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3 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

Linden had a litter at his yard a few weeks back... Frog put an ad on here for him?give him a ring jay?

aye I did see that  when it was put up...….

im looking to take a pup on in the new year spring time if I can find a decent one......after a bitch pup I am......

thanks,

all the best

jay  ?

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  • 2 weeks later...

I've got a litter due in 3 weeks but these are sprockers dad's an openshaw dog good little dog bitch is my Springer bitch no pedigree but she's a good bitch no world beater but she's got a good nose works cover well works the gun and I work her with my lurchers ?

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I thought lads on here were dog men ... but who recommends having a pup because of what they look like (or the parents look like) in a picture? ? 

 

I wouldn’t give a flying feck what it looked like, or what colour it is!! 
 

I’d want it to hunt like a demon, retrieve to hand and work within shot. 


Id be looking for parents that will hunt cover ... you’d be surprised how many cockers (and springers) are being bred that won’t hunt proper cover (or cover at all). It’s harder for cockers from the off as they’re smaller and less powerful. 

Then I’d be trying to find one where the parents don’t squeak ... cockers are notorious for it and it’s bloody annoying! I’ve been on a shoot where they had 7-8 cockers between them and they were going like a blood choir.  

Then I’d make sure that the breeder knew a bit about them, and spent time giving the pups a proper good start, well socialised with people, children and ensure the pups were bold and confident little things. 

 

 

I saw a cocker at a test last year that wouldn't jump a small fence less than 2ft high (and it had a solid wood rail across the top to make it easy) ... he was 2 year old and the woman said he’d already sired 3 litters ... I asked how he works ... she said oh, she hasn’t really had much time to train him or work him yet ... yet if you asked her what he was like she said what a brilliant little dog he was, what great pups he produces and all that bollocks! 
 

Be careful out there lad. I would possibly phone some of the gundog societies or clubs in your area and ask if they can recommend anyone if you can’t get a good recommendation from word of mouth. 

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I am quite careful on my approach and try to see through the bullshit.....

I've been in contact with some cocker breeders,  Peter Jones (maesydderwen)  but he has nothing available at the moment,

There was another up mid or north Wales...cant remember the name of that kennels, no joy there.....contacted Ian openshaw with no joy and the last one I've been in contact with is Will cluelee (poolgreen cockers) and he has put me on a reserve waiting list.....

But we'll see what happens.......

What is it with these cocker......their price seemed to have rocketed in the last month or so since I've been paying particular attention to advertisements for them.....they seem to be coming very popular and greedy breeders are out to cash in on it.....

I seen an advert go up in price over 3 days from £1000  to £1400    just because they'd had over 60 enquiries.......

Shocking the greed of some people and the pups in that litter hadn't been born yet......

I'm patient enough and will wait for the right one, doing the right thing from the right breeding......

Cheers

Jay    ?

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6 hours ago, jayjay said:

I am quite careful on my approach and try to see through the bullshit.....

I've been in contact with some cocker breeders,  Peter Jones (maesydderwen)  but he has nothing available at the moment,

There was another up mid or north Wales...cant remember the name of that kennels, no joy there.....contacted Ian openshaw with no joy and the last one I've been in contact with is Will cluelee (poolgreen cockers) and he has put me on a reserve waiting list.....

But we'll see what happens.......

What is it with these cocker......their price seemed to have rocketed in the last month or so since I've been paying particular attention to advertisements for them.....they seem to be coming very popular and greedy breeders are out to cash in on it.....

I seen an advert go up in price over 3 days from £1000  to £1400    just because they'd had over 60 enquiries.......

Shocking the greed of some people and the pups in that litter hadn't been born yet......

I'm patient enough and will wait for the right one, doing the right thing from the right breeding......

Cheers

Jay    ?


Good work mate ?? Anita Jones has a litter coming up from her bitch that’s run in the championship, Jeremy Organ was planning some litters this summer and Andy Platt and Jamie Reed up in Scotland are both good names but hell of a trip up there. 
 

If you don’t trial yourself it can be difficult to get one off the big names, as they want them going to other trial homes who they know will win awards because it gets their kennel names out there. 
 

Easier if you want a dog pup as triallers don’t seem so keen on them. 

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10 minutes ago, Balaur said:

What's with the attitude mate? A mate of mine works trial dogs labs but they're not for everyone, slightly neurotic and robotic at times.. only a question and it wasn't directed at you

 

I apologise Balaur ... I meant it in jest, just teasing and having a bit of fun :) not meant to be taken the wrong way. Sorry if it came across like that :)

 

The point I was trying to make was ... I know a lot of people with very well bred trialling dogs, who are worked very regularly on shoots, beating, picking up, and being shot over. 

Personally I find people's excuse of their companion being "just a shooting dog", to often be short for a dog that they haven't really trained, a dog that runs in, chases birds into the next drive, doesn't stop when told, and hunts 100 yards ahead of the handler, ignoring every command as they blow their whistle and hollar away, before telling you how great their dog is ... "Did you see him flushing all those birds? Wow, what a hunter" they will proclaim. 

 

Just my personal view of many of the dogs I have seen from shoots I have gone on.

A well trained and handling dog, is an absolute beauty to behold, not many will have them, because it takes a lot of time, effort and often money getting the dog into the right places to gain the experience needed. But when you see one, they are outstanding. I would consider a good trialling dog, to be nothing more than a well polished shooting man's dog. There a lots of shooting men out there with brilliant dogs that they have put the effort into, but they have no interest to trial. But I think choosing a trial bred dog is reassurance in a way, you know the parents are trainable, will hunt and have no major faults (at least at the time they won or ran in trials) ... 

As the story I posted above about the woman with the cocker that wouldn't even jump a 2 foot fence, but had sired numerous litters shows, there is a lot of shit out there, with owners professing what excellent 'working' dogs they are. If you ask how they have done in trials, they will undoubtedly tell you they have no interest in trials, they are 'just shooting dogs' ... 

Similar to that cocker, there is a black and tan cocker that comes on the small shoot syndicate I joined, once again the dog whines like hell, runs in, ignores the stop whistle, and I have seen birds it brings back, it is harder mouther than a bloody aligator!! It's siring 2-3 litters a season and has his own facebook page for the pups ... 

 

 

Although I joke about a bit, I hope what I say is a bit helpful to the OP and others looking for pups. 

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Balaur said:

Are you after a trialling dog or you want it for working in the field?

Hi mate

I'm looking for something to basically to have as a knock about rough shooting  dog, but obviously I'm looking to put the time into training it to  a certain standard of obedience and be able to have the control over it that I require.....or at least try anyway.....

Don't really know a great deal about trialing  and can't really see me ventureing into that world.....if anything, I could quite see me trying to get on a shoot for a bit of beating with the dog I intend to get or hopefully anyway......

Had lurchers and terriers all my life so this is a different road for me.....

Cheers

Jay   ?

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