Family history.

[Arry 18,521]

50 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

 

 

In Arry's case he is obviously related to the Iberian coastal foragers who migrated up the Atlantic seaboard looking for mushrooms

Cracking, very quick Lol. Even wifey like that.

Cheers Arry

[paulus 26]

one of the family traced us back to Henry Morgan lol

[jetro 5,349]

3 minutes ago, paulus said:

one of the family traced us back to Henry Morgan lol

That's a long way back, some great history there. 

He did make a nice rum.

Atb j 

[Meece 1,957]

Tracing family trees is difficult .  Back when the population was less literate than it is now, ( hard to believe when you see the spelling and grammar in some/ most of the post on here,) names were misspelt and sons and daughters had the same first name as their mother or father. This makes it difficult to follow the line. I did a bit and the learning curve on these ancestry sites is pretty steep.  It surprised me that things that the olds had said suddenly became key pieces in the puzzle. I found  links on my Father's side that went back to the 1500s in the  Birmingham area and also to the 1700s in the Suffolk area as flour millers.  On Mothers side my grandfather was killed in the first world war and is planted out in a cemetery near Bethune in France.  Her family were sheep farmers from the Romney marsh area and smugglers.allegedly one was hanged for rustling and moving boundaries. My family name is one that came over with William The Conqueror  and an area in northern France.  This area had been overrun by the Vikings in previous times.  This could account for the fact that our family is blue eyed and blonde and we have been born with an axe.  Or it could be anything.  Mother did tell me when I was a young lad that I  was a black hearted Bast.  Nice of her wasn't it !  

[Nicepix 5,650]

57 minutes ago, Arry said:

Cracking, very quick Lol. Even wifey like that.

Cheers Arry

Actually I got it wrong. It was the Basques who migrated up the Atlantic seaboard, not the Catalonians. I have just been applying for and downloading a fishing licence for Catalonia and that had stuck in my mind, but it wasn't them, it was the Basques who's DNA is embedded right up the Bay of Biscay, into Brittany and Normandy, Cornwall, west Wales and into Ireland and the South-West of Scotland.

A lot of people wonder why they have 'Viking' ancestor. What that relates to is that the Scandinavians who travelled extensively. Just before the Norman Conquest there were two large Danish settlements in York and Dublin. They populated most of the eastern side of England and also the north, right across to Cumbria. They also sailed down the North Sea and up the French Rivers including the Loire, Gironne and their tributaries. I live half-way down France and over 100 miles from the sea, but in the 11th century the Danes pillaged many of the towns and cities local to us. They even went into the Mediterranean and also traded using land routes into Asia and North Africa. A lot of their weapons and jewellery came from those trading routes and they also brought back spices such as cumin. They also brought back slaves, many of them women and that would explain some of the DNA traces found. The ones that Max mentioned about Nth African tribes having DNA traces in Scottish samples could be down to slaves brought  by Romans and captured by Scottish raiding parties, or left behind when the Romans retreated. 

It is a fascinating subject.

 

 

 

[jetro 5,349]

Dublin was the biggest slave trading post the vikings had. 

Atb j 

[Nicepix 5,650]

1 minute ago, jetro said:

Dublin was the biggest slave trading post the vikings had. 

Atb j 

And when the Swedes, Norwegians and Danes get their DNA results they'll find a little bit of Paddy

[Arry 18,521]

26 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

Actually I got it wrong. It was the Basques who migrated up the Atlantic seaboard, not the Catalonians. I have just been applying for and downloading a fishing licence for Catalonia and that had stuck in my mind, but it wasn't them, it was the Basques who's DNA is embedded right up the Bay of Biscay, into Brittany and Normandy, Cornwall, west Wales and into Ireland and the South-West of Scotland.

A lot of people wonder why they have 'Viking' ancestor. What that relates to is that the Scandinavians who travelled extensively. Just before the Norman Conquest there were two large Danish settlements in York and Dublin. They populated most of the eastern side of England and also the north, right across to Cumbria. They also sailed down the North Sea and up the French Rivers including the Loire, Gironne and their tributaries. I live half-way down France and over 100 miles from the sea, but in the 11th century the Danes pillaged many of the towns and cities local to us. They even went into the Mediterranean and also traded using land routes into Asia and North Africa. A lot of their weapons and jewellery came from those trading routes and they also brought back spices such as cumin. They also brought back slaves, many of them women and that would explain some of the DNA traces found. The ones that Max mentioned about Nth African tribes having DNA traces in Scottish samples could be down to slaves brought  by Romans and captured by Scottish raiding parties, or left behind when the Romans retreated. 

It is a fascinating subject.

 

 

 

Sorry mate no likes left. 

But did they like mushrooms? Lol.

Cheers Arry

[jetro 5,349]

9 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

And when the Swedes, Norwegians and Danes get their DNA results they'll find a little bit of Paddy

They were some adventurous people of their time. Only twice were they beaten. In Canada and Greenland. The only two places they didn't settle in.

Even the metal and forging skills they had were way ahead of the rest of the known world at the time. 

Atb j

[Nicepix 5,650]

4 minutes ago, Arry said:

Sorry mate no likes left. 

But did they like mushrooms? Lol.

Cheers Arry

I think so. But from your point of view it is better to tell your mates that you are descended from heroic  ice-age hunter-gatherers rather than some wop waiter from Benidorm.

[Arry 18,521]

Brilliant mate good wit, I Love that sort of banter. 

Cheers Arry

[jetro 5,349]

A lot of people here in the west of Ireland, especially where i live look like Spaniards, sallow skinned, dark hair and blue eyes. When I did a bit of research into it, as Nicepix already said, our descents came from Basque region.

Atb j 

[Nicepix 5,650]

2 minutes ago, jetro said:

They were some adventurous people of their time. Only twice were they beaten. In Canada and Greenland. The only two places they didn't settle in.

Even the metal and forging skills they had were way ahead of the rest of the known world at the time. 

Atb j

It is interesting that they were linked to Canada as a lot of people don't realise that when Columbus supposedly discovered America the Basques were already there fishing the Grand Banks and drying cod on the shores of what is now Cape Cod. The boats Columbus used were built by Basque carpenters and his crew were mostly Basques.  They just went there to dish, he went to further his own reputation.

The Danes were equally adventurous and pushed the boundaries of exploration way beyond what we were taught in school. As I've said before, the Normans were third or fourth generation Danes and the Normans themselves conquered a lot of land further south right into Sicily where they introduced tench as stock fish. The tench found in Italy and the Balkans are derived from Norman conquests.

[jetro 5,349]

6 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

It is interesting that they were linked to Canada as a lot of people don't realise that when Columbus supposedly discovered America the Basques were already there fishing the Grand Banks and drying cod on the shores of what is now Cape Cod. The boats Columbus used were built by Basque carpenters and his crew were mostly Basques.  They just went there to dish, he went to further his own reputation.

The Danes were equally adventurous and pushed the boundaries of exploration way beyond what we were taught in school. As I've said before, the Normans were third or fourth generation Danes and the Normans themselves conquered a lot of land further south right into Sicily where they introduced tench as stock fish. The tench found in Italy and the Balkans are derived from Norman conquests.

The vikings found northern America 100s of years before Columbus, it's just that the journey between north America, Canada, and the Scandinavian countries were to far apart to trade with, plus there wasn't enough of them there to get a strong enough foot hold to stay. 

Atb j 

[Blackmag 5,862]

Mines from Norse Viking pre 7 th century my surnames a annum gram of Viking meaning elder chief when my cousin traced it back a slightly different spelling surname but meaning the same  it was  one of a Viking warlord and the names popular in the isle of man quite interesting when I look at it