Retrieve training

[colliejohn 840]

Was out Saturday lamping with my dog Dan, my mate came along and fetched his young pup Toca, did two retrieves at the end of the night with a full grown rabbit that had been caught earlier, two perfect retrieves back to hand by a pup which isn’t 6 months old and is out of the litter of Dan and Liz I recently bred. Regards Collie John.

Edited September 11, 2019 by colliejohn

[Bosun11 537]

Had two dogs that were half arsed with retrieving training as pups but as soon as they made their first catches in the field they turned into fecking gundogs..!

The best advice i ever got was that "retrieving should always be a game" and its that game both me and my dogs love playing, both summer and winter, all their lives...

[poxon 5,555]

I’ve always found what works for me is take full advantage of a pups ability to want to follow you that when it stops to have a sniff or look about recall it get the recall going then once the pups getting the hang of coming back to you on call then start to teach retrieve as after all a retrieve is a extension on recall my 14week old pup will retrieve a few different items she goes completely nuts at the sight of a tennis ball so that’s our object of choice at the moment she’s retrieved a few different type dummies all in play to me so far including a weighted rabbit pelt dummy I’ve not tried a pheasant winged dummy yet but it’s on the cards to try at some point as I want her to retrieve pheasant but I don’t like to rush things I think peoples problems is when training a pup they want it all there an then they rush an push to hard to try and meet there objective that there’s no fun in it for the pup or human what I do is f**k about with the pup playing about I know my intentions that I’d like a retrieve at some point in what ever game we’re playing i spring the item out of no were (up my jumper or t shirt) an say what’s this the pup goes ecstatic with excitement I get my retrieve give the pup loads of praise in my gayest voice I can give at the time I normally aim for 2 retrieves with lots of praise then I’ll change the subject of that we’re doing an say something like what’s that An point an walk over to this tug toy hanging from the tree made from a push bike inner tubes tied round a teddy neck it’s a good distraction she likes trying to kill the shit out the teddy. works well for me the last 3 dogs I’ve trained in my own silly way seems to work really well for me probably not the way the lurcher world experts would do it but it gets me the results I require 

[Black neck 15,162]

6 hours ago, poxon said:

I’ve always found what works for me is take full advantage of a pups ability to want to follow you that when it stops to have a sniff or look about recall it get the recall going then once the pups getting the hang of coming back to you on call then start to teach retrieve as after all a retrieve is a extension on recall my 14week old pup will retrieve a few different items she goes completely nuts at the sight of a tennis ball so that’s our object of choice at the moment she’s retrieved a few different type dummies all in play to me so far including a weighted rabbit pelt dummy I’ve not tried a pheasant winged dummy yet but it’s on the cards to try at some point as I want her to retrieve pheasant but I don’t like to rush things I think peoples problems is when training a pup they want it all there an then they rush an push to hard to try and meet there objective that there’s no fun in it for the pup or human what I do is f**k about with the pup playing about I know my intentions that I’d like a retrieve at some point in what ever game we’re playing i spring the item out of no were (up my jumper or t shirt) an say what’s this the pup goes ecstatic with excitement I get my retrieve give the pup loads of praise in my gayest voice I can give at the time I normally aim for 2 retrieves with lots of praise then I’ll change the subject of that we’re doing an say something like what’s that An point an walk over to this tug toy hanging from the tree made from a push bike inner tubes tied round a teddy neck it’s a good distraction she likes trying to kill the shit out the teddy. works well for me the last 3 dogs I’ve trained in my own silly way seems to work really well for me probably not the way the lurcher world experts would do it but it gets me the results I require 

Gayest voice

[poxon 5,555]

3 hours ago, Black neck said:

Gayest voice

You know the voice I mean neck not to be confused with the barman voice of authority

[stormyboy 1,352]

Anyone use a clicker? Takes patience, but it's a very handy tool.  

[sandymere 8,261]

Good retreive of rabbits rather than balls etc is based on a good bond between man and dog.

[poxon 5,555]

6 minutes ago, sandymere said:

Good retreive of rabbits rather than balls etc is based on a good bond between man and dog.

To get that bond it all starts at the beginning with time and fun with balls and other objects to make a bond between man an dog 

[Casso 1,256]

Start the pup off in your space, out somewhere calm, it’s not training as such it’s creating a positive mindset by association,

I don’t use a ball, ball only leads to frustration , he can’t really open up on a ball energetically 

what I want is for the pup to really invest in the item, it’s got to be able to fully express by creating a wave through grabbing and shaking it like f**k, it’s the killing bite for all predators after the chase, with the ball you get only the chase, the really effect is felt in the killing bite and the wave creation of the shake out, letting it win every time   and coming back into your space for more 

If you can manifest that feeling between you, you create a state of mind of how it sees you as a positive as  long as you not kicking lumps out of it at other times

the association of the feeling and state of mind is what makes your space positive for any other training to come , 

start every interaction up close and personal, keep your hands positive for fucks sake , plenty of lads  using their hands to correct for misbehaviour and not getting the link between that and the hand shy of the last few feet of a good retrieve 

[skycat 6,172]

Keeping the hands positive is the most important, quite agree. Never using your hand to hit, even a light telling-off tap while the pup is growing up, and always being overjoyed when the pup comes to you, no matter how much of a pain in the arse it has been, winding you up etc.  But I do use tennis balls as a retrieve game, and have never had a problem, though also play tug with old towels and socks etc. Every pup I've had has retrieved its first rabbit with no histrionics which I now believe has more to do with the fact that the pup sees me as the 'safe place' to bring its catch, and even if that first catch has been a manky old myxi rabbit, I still carry it home to let the pup see that its catch is valuable to me, before disposing of it when the pup is not around to see me bin it.

[Phil Lloyd 10,736]

Nothing better, than when you click off your dazzler, to hear your dog coming back in, nice and steady, bringing home the bacon.

Retrieving, by night, or during the day,  is an entirely personal attribute, some dogs do it naturally, others do not, and sadly, some never will.

After all the care that you have given a young dog, up until this time,...I always feel as though he is saying,..  thank you, Boss...

[billhardy 2,341]

8 hours ago, skycat said:

Keeping the hands positive is the most important, quite agree. Never using your hand to hit, even a light telling-off tap while the pup is growing up, and always being overjoyed when the pup comes to you, no matter how much of a pain in the arse it has been, winding you up etc.  But I do use tennis balls as a retrieve game, and have never had a problem, though also play tug with old towels and socks etc. Every pup I've had has retrieved its first rabbit with no histrionics which I now believe has more to do with the fact that the pup sees me as the 'safe place' to bring its catch, and even if that first catch has been a manky old myxi rabbit, I still carry it home to let the pup see that its catch is valuable to me, before disposing of it when the pup is not around to see me bin it.

Ts be fair it's a decent post but a working mall xs won't bat an eye lid ta roughness I. TrIni g methods some thrive on it  the oveyly sensitive are hard work and have hell. Of a time getti g over even the smallest reprimand fa me these types are not best bred from a jukel needs to be mentally tough above all else fa me atb bill

[Black neck 15,162]

15 minutes ago, Phil Lloyd said:

Nothing better, than when you click off your dazzler, to hear your dog coming back in, nice and steady, bringing home the bacon.

Retrieving, by night, or during the day,  is an entirely personal attribute, some dogs do it naturally, others do not, and sadly, some never will.

After all the care that you have given a young dog, up until this time,...I always feel as though he is saying,..  thank you, Boss...

Great

[Black neck 15,162]

14 minutes ago, billhardy said:

Ts be fair it's a decent post but a working mall xs won't bat an eye lid ta roughness I. TrIni g methods some thrive on it  the oveyly sensitive are hard work and have hell. Of a time getti g over even the smallest reprimand fa me these types are not best bred from a jukel needs to be mentally tough above all else fa me atb bill

None on um like a bollocking tho bill dont matter how they bred something that's took me many years 2 get me head round 

I'm gerrin there slowly tho I might be half right be the time I'm 98 odd

[billhardy 2,341]

53 minutes ago, Black neck said:

None on um like a bollocking tho bill dont matter how they bred something that's took me many years 2 get me head round 

I'm gerrin there slowly tho I might be half right be the time I'm 98 odd

Blacki ain't talking aboyt rollicking some yas only get out the bed wrong side and they upset fa me bollocking a jukel his just an empty fruitless no go. Atb bill